Overblod
Limp Gawd
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Thanks, good tip.
Except that the vast majority of the Gen4 drives that will hit that $200 price point won't be any faster than this drive is on Gen3, ergo not worth the extra few bucks just to run hotter.That's not what I consider a "hot" deal, except for folks that still have a gen 3 rig, seeins how almost all the Gen 4 drives are dropping like rocks atm, and the 4TB models will be approaching the $200 mark soon...
And getting tech stuff from fleecebay or ChinzEgg is an auto no-buy IMHO, regardless of price
Plus, the real world benefit of a gen4 drive over a gen3 one is virtually nothing unless all you do is copy large files back and forth all day.Except that the vast majority of the Gen4 drives that will hit that $200 price point won't be any faster than this drive is on Gen3, ergo not worth the extra few bucks just to run hotter.
This. Now sure, if it's like a $20 diff between a top shelf gen3 and gen4 okay. But it isn't. The sn850 and whatnot that everyone gushes about are significantly more expensive. Would rather have a great gen3 for less than an okay gen4.Plus, the real world benefit of a gen4 drive over a gen3 one is virtually nothing unless all you do is copy large files back and forth all day.
Ummm... fyi, I recently got a bunch of 2TB 850x's for $121-140 each, which are NOT just "ok" but are top tier drives, and the 4TB version should hit around $200-225 soon as prices continue to drop..The sn850 and whatnot that everyone gushes about are significantly more expensive. Would rather have a great gen3 for less than an okay gen4.
Lol, when did I say the 850 is just okay? The 4tbs are still quite a bit off from top shelf gen3sUmmm... fyi, I recently got a bunch of 2TB 850x's for $121-140 each, which are NOT just "ok" but are top tier drives, and the 4TB version should hit around $200-225 soon as prices continue to drop..
That MSI M461 has a 900TBW rating, the TeamGroup MP34 has a 2400TBW rating. I would much rather take the drive that is more than 2.5x more endurance over the small bump in speed (a moot point if you're putting this in a PCIe gen 3 slot, they'll be limited to 3500 MB/s anyway). Unless you have a specific workload that can see a benefit, most users would be hardpressed to tell a difference in real world usage between 3500 MB/s and 5000 MB/s. Then again you can argue who is going to write over 900TB to the drive over the life of it, probably not many people so it doesn't necessarily invalidate buying the MSI.Same price for the Team drive at Newegg (I know...). But for $10 (AR) more, the MSI M461 is available:
https://www.newegg.com/msi-4tb-m461/p/N82E16820140041?Item=N82E16820140041
It's a bit faster. I haven't looked into how the MSI drives are reliability-wise, but they're not a no-name....
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I beg to differ on this point....Brand is largely irrelevant when looking at NVMEs. They're pretty much all using NAND flash (Toshiba/Kioxia, SK Hynix, etc...) and controllers (Phison, Silicon Motion, etc...) from other vendors, so whoever slaps their brand on the total package doesn't mean much.
I would ensure that we all understand, because some will not, that just because a drive isn't Samsung, or Western Digital, doesn't mean it's a junk. I have a Pioneer, like the old headunits of the 90s, 2TB NVME that is a Phison E12 unit with DRAM cache. It's essentially Phison's reference design. Sabrent used the same components on the original Rocket PCI-E 3 version. Sabrent used customized firmware I'm certain, and I'm certain Pioneer just slapped their label on the reference design. However I've had this drive for two years now and it's in the top there in performance with all the Gen3 big dogs.I beg to differ on this point....
Yes, all the better ones use NAND only from the major mfgr's, but the drive brand DOES matter, since some of them, like WD, make their own controllers, over which they have full control in the design, firmware and optimizations, and most importantly, QA/QC...
The off-brands use whatever bottom of the barrel crap parts they can get at the lowest price at any particular moment, and just slap them together to be labeled with whatever logo they are under contract for...and therefore, you can never really be 100% sure of what parts you are paying for...
This situation has been confirmed time & time again, by many, many people who have tested & confirmed the performance changes from batch to batch....
Those are valid points, and I'll even back you up with an attached image of the ADATA SX8200 Pro as an example. Maybe I'm in the minority here but as long as the drive works close to it's rated speed and they don't misadvertise the TBW it doesn't bother me.I beg to differ on this point....
Yes, all the better ones use NAND only from the major mfgr's, but the drive brand DOES matter, since some of them, like WD, make their own controllers, over which they have full control in the design, firmware and optimizations, and most importantly, QA/QC...
The off-brands use whatever bottom of the barrel crap parts they can get at the lowest price at any particular moment, and just slap them together to be labeled with whatever logo they are under contract for...and therefore, you can never really be 100% sure of what parts you are paying for...
This situation has been confirmed time & time again, by many, many people who have tested & confirmed the performance changes from batch to batch....
And that last bit is exactly what I would argue. Because that 900TBW is simply a warranty claim, nothing more, now granted they often have some real world relationship as manufacturers really don't want to be paying out warranty claims on products that fail but the other important bit is the actual warranty in years which in the case for the MSI is 5 years which (depending upon your use case, as you may be an outlier) is likely to occur WELL before you hit that 900TB mark, you would have to write approximately 1TB every 2 days to the drive in order to get to that limit within that 5 year plan.That MSI M461 has a 900TBW rating, the TeamGroup MP34 has a 2400TBW rating. I would much rather take the drive that is more than 2.5x more endurance over the small bump in speed (a moot point if you're putting this in a PCIe gen 3 slot, they'll be limited to 3500 MB/s anyway). Unless you have a specific workload that can see a benefit, most users would be hardpressed to tell a difference in real world usage between 3500 MB/s and 5000 MB/s. Then again you can argue who is going to write over 900TB to the drive over the life of it, probably not many people so it doesn't necessarily invalidate buying the MSI.
BINGO,somebody give this person a gold star !I argue say if you can't confirm the components via one of the publiclly available SSD databases and/or the manufacture won't tell you, then it's a crap drive. Name brand or not. If they were proud of the components, they wouldn't hide them.
I never said that, I simply meant that the better brands either design & build their own parts, or source them from reliable suppliers that are well known for and capable of consistently providing top quality components for extended periods of time without any major QA/QC issues....just because a drive isn't Samsung, or Western Digital, doesn't mean it's a junk.
How can you claim this after Samsungs firmware snafu?without any major QA/QC issues....
Yeah but that's SATA.You can have an enterprise SSD with much higher PBW for $10 more... https://www.amazon.com/Intel-D3-S4510-SSDSC2KB038T801-2-5-Inch-Enterprise/dp/B07H1RYNS8
And most certainly "refurbished".Yeah but that's SATA.
Likely still faster than the consumer 4TB QLC drives under sustained write and some other workloads.Yeah but that's SATA.
We've confirmed over on the STH forums that they are all new, factory-sealed.And most certainly "refurbished".
If someone needed sustained write they wouldn't be looking at such a cheap nvme.Likely still faster than the consumer 4TB QLC drives under sustained write and some other workloads.
Kind of goes without saying.That puts a 4TB drive just over $200. I think if you want maximum cost, then the $150 drive is fine. If you actually want/need performance, than the $50 or whatever it is is reasonable to move up.
Well, apparently it does need saying, because even other people you’ve responded to in this thread are complaining about price vs performance. So, figured I’d point out that even on that exact buy link, there are options for faster drives that I would say are still very much reasonably costed.Kind of goes without saying.
People who need gen 4 performance know what they're shopping for.
Link seems wrong.$158.99 for me today (I have prime if it matters) think I'll pick this up. In my case, speed doesn't matter. Just picked up 4 of these USB cases ($15.19) as well https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08G14NBCS
I'm just going to use these for movie & tv plex storage when I travel.
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