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You mean like the prompt you get under OSX when you try to add something to the Applications folder, like when you install new software?
Is it far fetched to think that down the road maybe certain spyware/rootkits/viruses will be able to disable UAC or get around it? If somebody did come up with malware that could disable UAC, sure you would notice UAC was turned off and it would raise a red flag, but the damage would have been already done.
Exactly, the best defence of your PC is not letting anything malicious get on it in the first place, rather than relying on the strength of your admin password and the OS's security code.
A lot of that, unfortunately, is common sense.
Yes. It is the "Administrator"-level account.Doesn't the 1st user account you create when you install vista come with admin privilages?
Or the person that knows more than they do. Administrators in an organization, etc.In these circumstances it's not appropriate for users to be elevating their permission level to admin, they should be speaking with the owner of the PC (the person in control of the admin accounts) to do this for them, to avoid installing dodgy software etc.
This is what I LOVE about Vista. Everyone runs at the same level- anyone can, technically, access 100% of the system. It just requires permission/password to get to some of it. No more logging out (as some stuff you actually do have to log in as Admin under XP), and no more "Run As" for simple stuff like Device Manager- it automatically does it for you.The run as admin is there purely for convenience for the real admins so they dont need to log out of the current user to install stuff (which is just irritating and time consuming)
Don't get anything on it in the first place.Is it far fetched to think that down the road maybe certain spyware/rootkits/viruses will be able to disable UAC or get around it?
The problem with that is, when Joe Sixpack sees "Trojan" he thinks he's getting a pop-up ad for condoms.Basically, to get infected, you would have to physically allow the malware. You have to click that box- it is entirely your fault if you get infected.
Agreed. UAC can be turned off through a simple registry edit from what I have read(msconfig also but that just changes the registry setting), I could be wrong. To me that would be the first thing a programmer would look to do if he was trying to create a piece of malware to take advantage of Vista. I think it's only a matter of time before that type of thing shows up and we see posts like..."UAC was somehow disabled on my Vista machine and now there's some crazy shit going on...any ideas?".
A registry edit would require a UAC prompt.
Doesn't the 1st user account you create when you install vista come with admin privilages?
Or, as soon as MS starts doing it, Apple begins frothing at the mouth again with the "we've done that for years, copiers" raving.The only way around that is for MS to test/certify software it knows is good. Which with all the version changes, etc would be extreemly hard. Plus, you would have people griping about Microsoft monopolizing the software because they won't let their games filled with Malware run.
No, and this will explain why:
Vista, Admin rights, UAC, and You
I know this thread is getting long in the tooth, somewhat, but it doesn't negate the fact that both threads are so interrelated with each other that perhaps I should redo the content as a single post, who knows.
Ah right well I've always disabled UAC, which essentially elevates my account to constantly have admin privilages.
On the note of UAC, I think that it's a great idea in practice, however users are users and at the end of the day if they see this prompt for EVERYTHING then they're going to get used to clicking "yes" or "accept" or whatever the button is called. It will become second nature before long and will become worthless as users are simply going to click yes for basically everything.
LOL, so true.Or, as soon as MS starts doing it, Apple begins frothing at the mouth again with the "we've done that for years, copiers" raving.
Yep, and like bzz's post... The best OS for you is XP.Ah right well I've always disabled UAC, which essentially elevates my account to constantly have admin privilages.
Well, its obvious you have really never used Vista the way it was intended. If you had actually used it long enough to base your choice of keeping UAC or not, you would already have known that it rarely prompts you at all in your daily activites.see this prompt for EVERYTHING then they're going to get used to clicking "yes" or "accept"
Like I said... You have really never given UAC a shot...or whatever the button is called.
If you're going through that much effort and difficulty, your best OS is XP. Seriously. As one old saying goes...
"Don't come cryin' 'round here when the shit hits the fan..."
Yep, and like bzz's post... The best OS for you is XP.
Disabling UAC will cause more problems than not. Why use Vista when you are using it the same way XP already is?
Well, its obvious you have really never used Vista the way it was intended. If you had actually used it long enough to base your choice of keeping UAC or not, you would already have known that it rarely prompts you at all in your daily activites.
Like I said... You have really never given UAC a shot...
There are some UAC options in the Local Policy if you don't want to turn UAC off completely. I found out about them from the Vista Guide at http://www.tweakguides.com/TGTC.html.
Start, Run, secpol.msc
Local Policies, Security Options
User Account Control: Admin Approval Mode for the Built-in Administrator account Disabled
User Account Control: Behavior of the elevation prompt for administrators in Admin Approval Mode Prompt for consent
User Account Control: Behavior of the elevation prompt for standard users Prompt for credentials
User Account Control: Detect application installations and prompt for elevation Enabled
User Account Control: Only elevate executables that are signed and validated Disabled
User Account Control: Only elevate UIAccess applications that are installed in secure locations Enabled
User Account Control: Run all administrators in Admin Approval Mode Enabled
User Account Control: Switch to the secure desktop when prompting for elevation Enabled
User Account Control: Virtualize file and registry write failures to per-user locations Enabled
It's really weak that user has to go through all the hoopla to get the apps working properly. Even weaker is the fact that the user _needs to know_ the special steps to get things going right. It's fully possible to do the installation the wrong way and then get stuck with mysterious problems. Virtualization etc. abominations can occur.
lol, that's the worst argument against Vista that I've heard.
With every single OS out there- you have to know how to work the darn thing properly to sail smooth. OS X, Ubuntu- take your pick.
It's just like driving the car. I imagine you would like the car to change oil, so you don't have to go through the "hoopla" of doing it yourself?
Umm yes if the oil change required turning a special knob in the car prior to change in order to work properly - yes. Then after the change I'd have to start the car with special key in order to get the service done properly - yes. Surprisingly neither one of the steps is required for a normal and fully functional oil change.
Interesting analogy, but how does it apply here?? I mean, is it that much different or more difficult, than trying to get older software not written for that Os version to install and run in OsX and some Nix distros as compared to Vista?? Having used Vista, OsX, and several different Nix distros, my opinion is, not much or no, but your welcome to your own opinion..