Don't trust asshats like cnet for real tech news
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Verizon-Now-Kicking-P2P-Users-Off-Their-Network-106516
or the bottom line for you lazy linkers:
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Verizon Cuts Service to Alleged Pirates
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or the bottom line for you lazy linkers:
Don't trust asshats like cnet for real tech news
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Verizon-Now-Kicking-P2P-Users-Off-Their-Network-106516
Good catch. This is probably worthy of a new front page thread here. Verizon's spokesperson either forgot what she said or was misquoted by cnet:
Verizon Online spokeswoman Bobbi Henson said:
Verizon Online spokeswoman Bobbi Henson said:
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They are still very interesting thoughts on the matter, and I think in the future, the point you made on the VOIP being data not traditional phone may change as time goes by.
It's possible she was referring to excessive usage customers in the former and copyright violators in the latter.
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Sounds stupid, but some do. They usually don't get much out of it anyways.
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"I swear, Mr. Verizon Rep! I didn't do it!
My kids were fooling around on the computer downloading things!
Er, maybe it was the neighbors, I have an open wireless network!
My computer got hacked!
If I kiss your toes and buy you new cell phone package, can I still keep my connection?"
My kids were fooling around on the computer downloading things!
Er, maybe it was the neighbors, I have an open wireless network!
My computer got hacked!
If I kiss your toes and buy you new cell phone package, can I still keep my connection?"
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Funny, if there weren't localized monopolies, this would be a non-issue.
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You'd still be responsible for your unsecured wireless, you'd be responsible for not monitoring or controlling your kids internet useage and you'd be responsible for your computer getting hacked by not taking precautionary measures with good anti-virus and firewall software that is kept up to date.
Ultimately you are responsible for controlling what goes in and out of your computer. There is no excuse. If someone does not know how to do what is described above then they need to hire a professional to do those things for them.
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When you connect to a tracker using a torrent program, for example ship-on-a-river tracker or a star-exploding tracker, you send a request to that tracker for information on a given .torrent file.
For example, 'Hey Super-star, I want to download this file with hash code AC3D-B12123F566-ASDFASDF, titled 'Battle Star Galatica ALL SEASONS UPER HIGH QUALITY RIP' and the server returns a list of IP Address who have recently tried downloading that file or who earlier contacted the tracker saying 'Hey, I'm seeding this file!'.
Your computer then directly connects to that ip address and starts downloading the file. The reason torrent sites get away with it is that basically they are hooking you up to people who are doing something illegal but they themselves are just a match-making service and never send any copyrighted material themselves.
What the Mafia is doing, sorry, the RIAA, is taking the list of IP addresses for a given file which might include say 3000 ip addresses if there are a combined 3000 seeders/leechers like on popular files and then parsing the IP information via a lookup. For example an IP ADDress might be as specific as this when looked up:
[email protected]
In which case, the RIAA makes a nice form letter, inserts your IP address, looks up the mailing address of Shaw Internet and sends them a postal letter warnnning them that these people are downloading content and that THIS MUST BE STOPPED IMMMMEEDDDIATELLYYY ORRRR ELSE! in hopes the company Shaw will get scared and disconnect you. In reality, the RIAA doesn't have a huge amount of power IN CANADA but they still send out letters to Canadian ISPs. My brother got one a few years ago when he was using Telus. How, odd and strange?
That's why people sometimes prefer using 'Private' trackers like Demon-something as in that case, you require a username and password in order to be able to connect to the tracker and its create-an-account system is by 'invite only'. Part of the idea being, we assume nobody would willingly or knowingly invite the RIAA. So the people requesting IP Addresses should be actual-downloaders and not RIAA employees.
Of course, you can also use third-party routing services like 'Tor' where you connect to some guy in Brazil who talks to some guy in Russia who talks to some guy in Sweden who then talks to the PiratesAboardThisShip tracker and thus your 'IP Address' is never given. The one given is the guy in Sweden were piracy might be less strict. This system won't work though if Net Neutrality is not maintained as we might no longer be 'allowed' to talk to IP Adresses/computers overseas in certain countries or be limited to a certain amount of overseas bandwidth. In any case, no Net Neutrality = Bad for consumers but a few private companies are trying to push it realllly hard.
Lastly, there's encryption which should be used with any of the methods above, as it prevents your ISP from looking at your traffic and going 'Ohh look, Bob has been sending out hash codes for torrent files. Bad bob, very bad. Now we have to ban you.'
I made a CD of rainfall I recorded. Just looped a three minute recording for a total of 70 minutes. I'd much rather listen to water drops hitting the ground for 70 minutes than subject myself to even one or two minutes of FM radio, which goes to show you how intolerable FM radio has gotten in recent years (though it was never particularly good to begin with).
You don't need to worry about Usenet
Expect a letter from MNIAA.
You have to pee a lot don't you?
Mother Nature Industry Association of America, I'm guessing? Not bad
My car features automatic windows, so this isn't a problem. Good for the prostate, too.
Mother Nature Industry Association of America, I'm guessing? Not bad
My car features automatic windows, so this isn't a problem. Good for the prostate, too.
You mention prostate, my guess is your over the hill at 50+.
I dont see VOIP being changed to be a protected service. It would have too many legal hurdles to overcome. You're basicly forcing one company to offer a competitors product.
However, I can see Internet conectivity become a utility and protected under the same laws as your electric, gas, and telephones services. I think it is very likely we will see the internet be a protected utility within 20 years as connectivity becomes more and more vital. It just takes time for it to happen, it too DECADES for the telephone system to be considered a vital utility and protected under law, same with electric.
IP adresses can be tracked down with cooperation of the ISP. If you are not careful this can be done if you inadvertently leave "sharing" enabled (or whatever it is called) if you download files via a torrent. In other words, the owner of a program can try their own torrent download. If it is found & if it gets served off your machine, then that is the trail that they follow.
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Too much overreaching and not enough transparency or checks and balances. This is akin to vigilante justice with the full cooperation of Verizon. What's to stop anyone with a copyright to do the same. Being that Verizon doesn't own the copper on their networks, and Americans have a basic right to communications... it complicates things a bit. Otherwise I can't feel too sorry for pirates.
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It's not complicated at all.
Get caught speeding = get a ticket
Get caught pirating = get service cut
Yes you are paying for a service. That service comes with terms. Violate those terms and they have every right to discontinue service. Don't like that? Cancel your service.
Pretty cut and dry to me. I feel no pity for pirates.
Get caught speeding = get a ticket
Get caught pirating = get service cut
Yes you are paying for a service. That service comes with terms. Violate those terms and they have every right to discontinue service. Don't like that? Cancel your service.
Pretty cut and dry to me. I feel no pity for pirates.
You also pay for roads with your tax dollars, just wanted to add that
So? You're also paying for some welfare bum's food stamps too.
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So? We also paid for most of the telecom/cable infrastructure as well. But we don't own it.
My point being is that people have no right to bitch about the consequences of doing illegal activities.
Don't want your internet cut? DON'T PIRATE! The whole argument of "well they make shit music/movies/software" is a childish rebuttal at best. Don't like something? Don't buy it. But don't bitch when you're caught stealing it either.
Some peoples far fetched justifications for stealing really amazes me.
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Yeah shared ownership is a major distinction. Verizon is a private company using the resources of the public. Otherwise the government could privatize anything owned rightfully by the American people, including copper communication lines, airwaves, roadways etc. That would lock the private citizen out of freedoms and basic rights, which would be happening to a lesser extent here.
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Interesting point being brought up. UPS doesn't own the roads they use to transport items. But they aren't hogging them up either. Taxpayers payed for the roads. And we are fine with UPS's business.
Verizon will use taxpayer funded wires? Are other companies free to use those same wires? I'm trying to understand how this all works.
Verizon will use taxpayer funded wires? Are other companies free to use those same wires? I'm trying to understand how this all works.
That won't stop the RIAA/MPAA from threatening you and your ISP. I recall one recent story where the MPAA sent a notice to someone for having downloaded a Creative Commons-licensed documentary. The idea that the AAs are attempting to go straight to ISPs, leaving you with no real recourse, is unsettling.
The problem isn't piracy: the problem is that the industry associations have assumed too much apparent power and ISPs (for some reason) feel threatened by them. ISPs should naturally be more willing to defend the actions of its customers than protect the interests of associations tied to content producers who have no place in dictating the actions of service providers, but, curiously, we can only assume that the opposite will be true in the comings months and years.
Ohhh thats a kick between the legs. I know some soldiers that had a hell of a time coming back from war that are suffering and untill they can get well and back on their feet they can use a little help with food stamps. Careful when you use absolutes. A little discretion could help in this regard.
I do love how you used the example of speeding, probably the law broken most often and considered by many to be a nucance and a tax more than anything else.
Ticket quotas anyone? whats next? bittorrent quotas the RIAA demands ISPs to meet?
LOL.. sorry, i found that comparison priceless
OMFG i'm just saying, you brought up paying for service, and driving on roads so i just though i would mention that.
We pay for a lot of shit i really don't care to pay for.
I apologize but I didn't mean to say all foodstamp users are bums. I'm talking about welfare bums as in welfare bums, not the people who actually deserves it.
Octomom - welfare bum.
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It wasn't a comparison as much as it was an example. Yes, we pay for roads, yes, we pay for internet service. Doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with either. Breaking a law is breaking a law regardless of who pays for what.
And I'm sure you'd be happy that speeds are enforced if and when you get hit by someone in a car.
God I love the way our society thinks these days. Finger pointers run rampant around here. It's everyone elses fault for snooping your business when you get caught doing something illegal.
As for the comment about someone getting a letter from downloading a free documentary. Ignore it. WTF? I get calls from collection agencies for debt I don't owe. I ignore them. It's not the end of the fucking world.
I'd love to hear one good legitmate reason for downloading something illegally. I guarantee there won't be one. The old "it's shit music I'd never pay for anyways" doesn't change the fact that you'd still be breaking the law. And if you're taking the time to download it to put on your ipod to listen to then it's good enough to buy or you'd not have it in the first place.
Children, no wonder my wife and I don't want any.
I agree with most of your statement and wish to add, The RIAA/MPAA would like the internet to go away like the DoDo bird. They are a group of companies that are threatened by the internet because they went from total control, from creation to distribution and as of yet they do not know how to deal with the net. They want to go back to the Status quo. To them the Internet is a cancer, the RIAA/MPAA don't need it.It means letting go of absolute control that they had of the media industry. So instead of figuring a new marketing or business plan, they go back to the only way they know how, that the source of all their problems is the ISP's which are the gateways to the internet.
Itunes carved a niche, netflix did and their are others. All I here from the RIAA/MPAA is their negitivity to a new media that they need to understand and embrace. Hire some new blood and become the new tech industry and be the first to be the new Itunes or Netflix instead of whining like a squeeling pig to the slaughter. Grow up and get with it, the majority are. As long as you keep whining and standing in the same puddle of shit, your going to be left behind. Your mentors are dead learn something new.
maybe it's all the hydro budz you have been smoking, but something is clearly marring your judgement. and i will give you one good reason for downloading something illegally...DRM. it has gotten to the point where the illegally obtained pirated version of pc games are easier to install and play than their DRM-laden physical copies. music is getting better with the availability of DRM-free stuff increasing but there is still room for improvement.
you seem willing to just obey the law no matter how stupid or useless it might be just because it is on the books somewhere. just look at the stupid laws in my state of NY. (http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/new-york) should we follow all of them too? according to you, we should just keep quiet and obey the law no matter how unjust we feel it might be. well consider file-sharing a means of civil disobedience then.
and another thing....file-sharing is not the same thing as stealing. stealing removes the original while file-sharing makes a copy. there is a difference.
Call me a crook, thief, criminal... I don't really care. Its digital content... The only crime is the rich people are less rich. Nobody is going to die, people are not going to go without food if you donwload music or movies. They overcharge for entertainment these days anyways. I can't even afford to take my family out to the movies anymore. 4x tickets = 50$ + soda, popcorn, snacks = 50$ for a 2 hour movie? please.
The only software, movie or music I have paid for in the last 6-7 years was online games that require a unique key to play. Even then.. I download them first and see if its worth paying for.
I find it funny that people on these forums go around bashing people for downloadin stuff, like they are a better person. You cant tell me you have never downloaded a movie, or some music, ring tones, software, got extra money back from the cashier at the store, stole something physical?
The people who make the music need to learn... Its not about selling the music anymore. Its about selling themselfs as a brand.
The only software, movie or music I have paid for in the last 6-7 years was online games that require a unique key to play. Even then.. I download them first and see if its worth paying for.
I find it funny that people on these forums go around bashing people for downloadin stuff, like they are a better person. You cant tell me you have never downloaded a movie, or some music, ring tones, software, got extra money back from the cashier at the store, stole something physical?
The people who make the music need to learn... Its not about selling the music anymore. Its about selling themselfs as a brand.
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What oMek said.
Its a try before you buy service. I have bought everything I have played that wasn't crap, and the crap is no longer on my computer.
Its a try before you buy service. I have bought everything I have played that wasn't crap, and the crap is no longer on my computer.
lol classic. The "everybody-else-do-it-so-I-can-do-it-too" defense. Ranks up there with the "this-is-crap-even-though-I-downloaded-it-instead-of-buying-it" defense.
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Children will be children. There's no reasoning with them. It's all good though. Sooner or later we'll have a thread on there about them being sued and paying $22,500 per song/movie/app.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda .... but never did obey the law.
BTW, for those that do pirate. I'll swing by your houses and just take the things I want. After all, you didn't need those things anyways. They're crap and I'd never buy them, but stealing them from you is justified by your reasoning.
See how that works?