Where are the mid range nVidia cards?

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Blah, blah , blah $399 to $599 < screw that noise !!!!
Show me the new $199~299 range cards nVidia... Where are the 650 and 660 cards fudge lovers!?!?! Getting into Q3 and still nothing! WTF!
 
mzs_biteme said:
Blah, blah , blah $399 to $599 < screw that noise !!!!
Show me the new $199~299 range cards nVidia... Where are the 650 and 660 cards fudge lovers!?!?! Getting into Q3 and still nothing! WTF!
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on monday you will get to see Nvidia launch GTX 660 at USD 300. good for the mid range segment as the new competition will reduce pricing on HD 7870 to USD 300 or lower and push HD 7850 below USD 250. so good for people looking to buy USD 200 - 300 cards.
 
From what's been posted for a while the current 680 GPU is what _should be_ the mid range. I don't know if that's true or not, but I'll tell you this, a consistent 60 FPS in BF 3 with dips to the 50s every now and then has made me 100% happy with my video card for the first time in a loooooooong time.
 
Uh, there is already a wide selection of good cards in the $200-300 range. Just because it doesn't say "GTX6xx" on the box doesn't mean it's not a good purchase.
 
The GTX 560ti right now can be found for near the $200 mark - I have seen PLENTY Newegg Open Box deals of them going for about $160.

That card will out perform the 660 and 650.

You are only making yourself suffer.
 
GTX 570 and GTX 560 Ti 448 Cores are on Newegg for less than $250 AR, which are some stellar prices for some decent, considered now, "mid-range" card.
 
Phishy714 said:
The GTX 560ti right now can be found for near the $200 mark - I have seen PLENTY Newegg Open Box deals of them going for about $160.

That card will out perform the 660 and 650.

You are only making yourself suffer.
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whenever a 660 comes out, it will certainly be faster than the 560ti.
 
BababooeyHTJ said:
Yeah, and will hopefully have more vram too.
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Exactly, all these people saying "just buy a 560/570" dont apparently, care that it has a joke amount of VRAM if you're looking to the future.

I'd buy a 7850 or bust right now. Dont buy less than 2GB RAM.
 
raghu78 said:
on monday you will get to see Nvidia launch GTX 660 at USD 300. good for the mid range segment as the new competition will reduce pricing on HD 7870 to USD 300 or lower and push HD 7850 below USD 250. so good for people looking to buy USD 200 - 300 cards.
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Where's this info from?

From what I read, Nvidia has the GK104 die, so I'm guessing this $300 card is yet another castrated gk104, rather than the real Pitcairn competitor.

Which, out of my ass, I think I read may be Q3.

Something fast at $300 may push some other cards pricing down, I guess, on the good side, as $300 is still too rich.

Kinda have my doubt a 300 card is going to be able to have much effect on the pricing of a 250 card (even if its way faster, there are some people who just wont pay 50 more $, thus insuring the 250 card still has a market), but here's hoping.

AMD definitely left a hole in their lineup, is the problem (well, besides Nvidia's total absence). The 7950 and 7870 crowd pretty close together, and I even heard AMD are going to shove yet another card in there named the 7930, yet there's a huge gap between the 7770 and the 7850 just begging for filling. Something nice and worth buying at $180-$200 for example.
 
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GK107 is in full production right now. They're shipping in several Apple pcs. I would imagine that they'll start shipping a desktop variant in the near future.
 
BababooeyHTJ said:
GK107 is in full production right now. They're shipping in several Apple pcs. I would imagine that they'll start shipping a desktop variant in the near future.
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Huh? Googling GK107 shows...http://www.techpowerup.com/164826/N...630-GT-645-and-3-GT-640-Variants-to-OEMs.html

Seems like it's just old cards rebadged, judging by the extremely low "cuda core" count. That or these are some extremely low end chips. You'd need at least half of Gk104's CC's, or 768, if not more, to be worth anything as a "GTX 660"
 
Shark974 said:
Huh? Googling GK107 shows...http://www.techpowerup.com/164826/N...630-GT-645-and-3-GT-640-Variants-to-OEMs.html

Seems like it's just old cards rebadged, judging by the extremely low "cuda core" count. That or these are some extremely low end chips. You'd need at least half of Gk104's CC's, or 768, if not more, to be worth anything as a "GTX 660"
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That article is about cards that the big OEMs like Dell and HP put into their PCs. Half the article is spent telling you that these aren't cards you would be able to buy in retail.
 
Shark974 said:
Where's this info from?

From what I read, Nvidia has the GK104 die, so I'm guessing this $300 card is yet another castrated gk104, rather than the real Pitcairn competitor.

AMD definitely left a hole in their lineup, is the problem (well, besides Nvidia's total absence). The 7950 and 7870 crowd pretty close together, and I even heard AMD are going to shove yet another card in there named the 7930, yet there's a huge gap between the 7770 and the 7850 just begging for filling. Something nice and worth buying at $180-$200 for example.
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http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-images-leaked-launching-25th-june/

You are correct.its a castrated GK104. 3 GPC , 6 SMX, 1152 CUDA cores, 24 ROP, 192 bit memory controller, 1.5 GB GDDR5, 144 GB/s. It will definitely compete with HD 7870. At lower resolutions it should be faster than HD 7870 and at higher resolutions like 1600p fall behind because of ROP limitations.

This is how I see the product stack for AMD and Nvidia. AMD will launch a Radeon HD 7950 update too.

Radeon HD 7970 Ghz edition (1000 / 1050 ) vs GTX 680 (1006 / 1058) - USD 500
Radeon HD 7950 (900 / 950 ) vs GTX 670 (915 / 980) - USD 400
Radeon HD 7870 vs GTX 660 - USD 300

All of the above Nvidia cards are GK104 based. the GK106 based cards will take atleast mid to late Q3. GK106 cards will fight Radeon HD 7850. Castrated GK106 will fight HD 7770.
 
Phishy714 said:
The GTX 560ti right now can be found for near the $200 mark - I have seen PLENTY Newegg Open Box deals of them going for about $160.

That card will out perform the 660 and 650.

You are only making yourself suffer.
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A 560ti outperforming the 660 is ridiculous. The 660 is likely going to MSRP at ~$300, and at that price, i suspect Nvidia would have made it to outperform the 7870.

560ti's are terrible cards for $250 (considering 7850). They should be well below the $200 mark to even be considered atm.
 
raghu78 said:
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-images-leaked-launching-25th-june/

You are correct.its a castrated GK104. 3 GPC , 6 SMX, 1152 CUDA cores, 24 ROP, 192 bit memory controller, 1.5 GB GDDR5, 144 GB/s. It will definitely compete with HD 7870. At lower resolutions it should be faster than HD 7870 and at higher resolutions like 1600p fall behind because of ROP limitations.

This is how I see the product stack for AMD and Nvidia. AMD will launch a Radeon HD 7950 update too.

Radeon HD 7970 Ghz edition (1000 / 1050 ) vs GTX 680 (1006 / 1058) - USD 500
Radeon HD 7950 (900 / 950 ) vs GTX 670 (915 / 980) - USD 400
Radeon HD 7870 vs GTX 660 - USD 300

All of the above Nvidia cards are GK104 based. the GK106 based cards will take atleast mid to late Q3. GK106 cards will fight Radeon HD 7850. Castrated GK106 will fight HD 7770.
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Yeah, I dunno 1.5 GB RAM is even a little light, especially for 300. I imagine there will be 3GB versions too, but those will probably push up to like 330-350.

So you say mid to late Q3 for GK106. That could be as soon as August which doesnt sound so bad.

It's incredible Nvidia doesnt even need a real lineup cause they have so many fanboys lol. Most people would rather buy a overpriced 560 Ti with a low amount of RAM then touch anything from AMD. And I think they sold a crapload of 670's at $400 too, they dont even need a "mid range", or at least they can comfortably take their time with it.

I swear the video card companies are getting really good at hiding stuff. You really have to dig for anything on cards even launching in two days. I dont even know how that's possible with all the editors that must already have the info.

This card will just further gum that upper-mid range though. Soon you'll have 300, 400, and 500 cards from NV, plus what, ~300-350 (7870), ~350-380 (7950), ~400-450 (7970), and 7970 Ghz edition ~500 from AMD. Plus all the countless AIB aftermarket overclocked and cooler differentiations at different price points. From 300 through 550 you'll literally have a card at every $5 increment lol.
 
Most is just speculation that this GPU even releases. Nvidia really needs to get into this segment since their low end offering is borderline garbage and both AMD/Nvidia are getting hurt on their low end segment with the HD 3000 and up becoming relevant in supplying enough horsepower to not require an upgrade.

I went ahead and ordered an ASUS 7850 DC2 for $215. If this card comes out it will have to outclass the 7850 by quite a bit...
 
The 680 is 20% faster than the 580.

The 670 is 25% faster than the 570.

I'm sure the 660 is going to be around 25% faster than the 560Ti, which will put it equal to a 7870, but at $50.00 less.
 
Shark974 said:
I swear the video card companies are getting really good at hiding stuff. You really have to dig for anything on cards even launching in two days. I dont even know how that's possible with all the editors that must already have the info.
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I doubt its coming out Monday.

I have seen several people claim the 25th but above was teh 1st time I saw a link. Any other sources claiming the 25th?
 
raghu78 said:
on monday you will get to see Nvidia launch GTX 660 at USD 300. good for the mid range segment as the new competition will reduce pricing on HD 7870 to USD 300 or lower and push HD 7850 below USD 250. so good for people looking to buy USD 200 - 300 cards.
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No way! I checked Tweektown and nothing there. They would have a regular and overclocking review by now. ;)
 
The low end seems to be out without any announcement, I saw GT 610/630/640 at Fry's the other day and was very confused. I'm excited for a 660 though.
 
LigTasm said:
The low end seems to be out without any announcement, I saw GT 610/630/640 at Fry's the other day and was very confused. I'm excited for a 660 though.
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probably because they are insanely lack luster when compared with AMD's current low end and isn't nearly as cost effective.
 
Darksword said:
The 680 is 20% faster than the 580.

The 670 is 25% faster than the 570.

I'm sure the 660 is going to be around 25% faster than the 560Ti, which will put it equal to a 7870, but at $50.00 less.
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on average a 680 is about 30% faster than the 580. and a 670 is about 35% faster than a 570.
 
Trimlock said:
probably because they are insanely lack luster when compared with AMD's current low end and isn't nearly as cost effective.
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Well they are just rebadged 5xx for the most part, but I found it strange to see them in stores before newegg or anything.
 
Shark974 said:
Yeah, I dunno 1.5 GB RAM is even a little light, especially for 300. I imagine there will be 3GB versions too, but those will probably push up to like 330-350.

So you say mid to late Q3 for GK106. That could be as soon as August which doesnt sound so bad.

It's incredible Nvidia doesnt even need a real lineup cause they have so many fanboys lol. Most people would rather buy a overpriced 560 Ti with a low amount of RAM then touch anything from AMD. And I think they sold a crapload of 670's at $400 too, they dont even need a "mid range", or at least they can comfortably take their time with it.

I swear the video card companies are getting really good at hiding stuff. You really have to dig for anything on cards even launching in two days. I dont even know how that's possible with all the editors that must already have the info.

This card will just further gum that upper-mid range though. Soon you'll have 300, 400, and 500 cards from NV, plus what, ~300-350 (7870), ~350-380 (7950), ~400-450 (7970), and 7970 Ghz edition ~500 from AMD. Plus all the countless AIB aftermarket overclocked and cooler differentiations at different price points. From 300 through 550 you'll literally have a card at every $5 increment lol.
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Can you blame them? AMD overpriced their cards to such a tremendous extent this round.
 
That explains why people are paying too much for 560's/570's rather than the superior AMD offerings, how?
 
ggplay said:
Can you blame them? AMD overpriced their cards to such a tremendous extent this round.
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If you pay attention you can get great deals on amds stuff. Just got a 7950 for $300. 3 frigging gig. 384bit. BOOYAH!
 
Where are the (games) for next gen cards =) Not many games coming out to warrant the purchase of a 400.00+ card. I mean if console based PC games keep coming out you should be good for the next 4-5 years. I want to get a 660ti but if my 550ti is good enough for Guild Wars 2 (which people told me on MMORPG that it is) then I don't have a reason to get a upgrade.
 
I agree. My 5850, although far from the fastest card on the market, is happily breezing through any 1080p game I throw at it. Bf3 I had to turn down some cause it didn't have enough vram, but it still looked great and performed flawlessly. As much as I'd love a 670 right now, I just don't see a justification to get one.
 
LigTasm said:
The low end seems to be out without any announcement, I saw GT 610/630/640 at Fry's the other day and was very confused. I'm excited for a 660 though.
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Of those three retail low-end 600 series GPUs, only the GT 640 is a Kepler derivative (a castrated GK107, in this case, with slow DDR3 RAM instead of the faster GDDR5 RAM). The GT 610 and GT 630 are a rebadged GT 520 and GT 440, respectively.
 
cannondale06 said:
on average a 680 is about 30% faster than the 580. and a 670 is about 35% faster than a 570.
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The difference between GTX670 and 680 is smaller than the performance difference between GTX580 and 570. GTX670 is actually closer to 40% faster than a 570 most of the time.
 
BababooeyHTJ said:
The difference between GTX670 and 680 is smaller than the performance difference between GTX580 and 570. GTX670 is actually closer to 40% faster than a 570.
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I did the right math. the difference between a stock 670 and stock 680 is about 10% and the difference between the 570 and 580 is about 15%.

680 is about 30% faster than 580
670 is about 20% faster than 580

680 is about 45% faster than 570
670 is about 35% faster than 570

and my own numbers back that up. my 670 ftw is dead even with a 680 out of the box and was 45% faster than my stock 570 across 15 in game benchmarks that I ran myself.
 
Going by TPU's last review GTX 580 is a little more than 20% faster than a 570. The gap widened as drivers matured after launch.

You've also got to remember that those launch review of GTX670 were using different drivers than the 680s at the time. That sort of skews results a bit. Clock for clock I have personally seen that GTX 670 and 680 aren't dead even. The difference isn't much but its probably around 5% on average.
 
BababooeyHTJ said:
Going by TPU's last review GTX 580 is a little more than 20% faster than a 570. The gap widened as drivers matured after launch.

You've also got to remember that those launch review of GTX670 were using different drivers than the 680s at the time. That sort of skews results a bit. Clock for clock I have personally seen that GTX 670 and 680 aren't dead even. The difference isn't much but its probably around 5% on average.
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again there is about 10% difference between a stock 670 and stock 680. clock for clock they are within 5% of each other. its going to come down to the games and settings being tested. really there is no point in splitting hairs on 5% when comparing any of these cards either as even drivers play a role like you mentioned.
 
Get on Craigslist. In my area, there are tons of people selling 570 and 580's for $200+. A friend bought a EVGA 580 for $225 from Craigslist. And at 1080p, it does everything at max with BF3, WoW and Diablo 3 that he plays.
 
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