Where did all the ballistix go?

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DangerIsGo

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I search on Newegg and the 1GB sticks of ballistix z503's are gone...the page doesnt exist anymore...nor do they have ANY 1GB sticks, nor do any of the other sites that I have seen (newegg refurb usually always has some, tank guys are backordered, just search and youll see). Whats going on? Has anyone heard anything? I wanna get my 2nd sometime soon :(
 
yep...good riddance....these were good overclockers but they die so young...I guess the saying "only the bad die young" is true..(bad can be interpreted so many different ways here..good bad and bad bad)
 
Are you serious?! Damnit! So what is crucial going to do as far as 1GB sticks go? Are they going to continue the Ballistix line? Put out new batches? Or no? If not, i may as well sell this incoming Ballistix stick from them and get a 2GB set either from g.skill, corsair, or OCZ. Which PC4000 2GB set from those manuf, is the best for OCing (like the ballistix)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231021
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145596
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227225

And I believe BH5 work best with my board...are either of those BH5 or TCCD? the Ballistix were TCCD Right?

What about these?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145019
 
ballistix are micron 5b D for the 1gb sticks.. and all ballistix use micron of some form, with crucial being the same company as micron ;)
tccd doesn't work in anything larger than 512mb anyway, the chips aren't big enough

wait for one of two things to happen:
1. these show up
http://www.tankguys.biz/team-xtreem...id=62&osCsid=278673e10db437fecfaf71bab8632b02
i have a pair, they're rocking out at 295mhz prime stable atm.

2. these show up :p
http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_el_ddr_pc_4000_2x1024mb_dual_channel_platinum_xtc
which i think will perform pretty similarly to the ballistix and the teamgroup i have, because it should also be micron chips, but i'm not certain
 
DangerIsGo said:
The last one, arent the ocz platinum PC4000 sticks having better timings than those?
Those: 3-3-3-8 PC4000
OCZ Platinum as in one of my links: 3-3-2-8 PC4000

How are they better?
And when do the OCZ's come out? I would like to see reviews of those. Any idea on cost?

What about these eclipse?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145019
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i HATE the xpert line. sooooo overpriced for what it is. seriously, you could spend 1/2 the money and get these, with the cas bumped a 1/2 clock ;)
http://newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231047

for the new OCZ, they presumably use different chips. notice how the EB, which has 3-3-2 stock timings, often tops out around 260-270mhz on average, with a few lucky sets breaking that, while the ballistix that has 3-4-4 timings frequently 290-300mhz at tighter than stock timings? :D:D

cost should be less than the EB is currently, and i'm gonna see if i can get ocz to send a set my way to do comparisons with the TeamGroup that has a similar rating. ;)
 
I think the red G. Skillz are the best bang for your ram buck at the moment. They wont work for hard core OC work but for 145 bucks for 2GB that will do 222 at stock timings they are great.
 
Eclipse, the EB that your talking about from OCZ, thats these? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820227225

And, after you test the new XTC from OCZ, you gonna send them my way for some long time testing? ;) :D

Also I want ram thatll run like my ballistix...get timings 3-3-3-8 w/ 290/300MHz.

One more thing, the 2GB G.Skill, how do they perform as far as timings and OC's go? Do they fare well as the ballistix? I mean their dirt cheap for a 2GB set but Im wondering how well they OC. Ill also wait for the XTC to see how they do.
 
thinking about the opty 165 and ocing the crap out of it. I was reccommended both of these by our master, eclipse.

http://newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231047
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231021

I dont really understand ocing THAT well as i have no real first hand experience at it, but is it worth going from the red "regular" ones to the black extreme ones? (i know what you said eclipse, but im wonderingif ill be kicking myself later if i dont get the extremes)
 
These were JUSt released from G.Skill...what you think of these?
http://www.gskill.com/f1-4000biu2-hv.html
very nice timings for that speed. If they OC well, they should get timings and speeds as the ballistix did.

If you look at the list of RAM modules, they say for those modules 2-3-2-8 but if you look at the modules page, it say 3-3-2-8...which is it?

These seem to be hardcore too but only in 1GB set
http://www.gskill.com/f1-4800dsu2ff.html
2.5-4-4-8 @ 300MHz
 
DangerIsGo said:
These were JUSt released from G.Skill...what you think of these?
http://www.gskill.com/f1-4000biu2-hv.html
very nice timings for that speed. If they OC well, they should get timings and speeds as the ballistix did.

If you look at the list of RAM modules, they say for those modules 2-3-2-8 but if you look at the modules page, it say 3-3-2-8...which is it?

These seem to be hardcore too but only in 1GB set
http://www.gskill.com/f1-4800dsu2ff.html
2.5-4-4-8 @ 300MHz
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probably a typo. 3-3-2 isn't anything special for 2x1gb. it's the same thing as the ocz EB and mushkin redline that's been out for quite a while now. bet you anything it's infineon CE-6 chips too, which means you're gonna top out at around 260-275mhz at 3-3-2 timings, with some exceptions.

also, 2.5-4-4 is way slower than 3-3-2 at a given mhz. those 2x512mb sticks are TCCD. 512mb only.. :p
 
Selecter said:
nothing...I'm being bad. :(

Isnt that the first TCCD in 1GB size on the market?
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If you mean 1GB size as in 2x512MB, no....they've been beaten that by....a few years. If you mean by 1GB sticks....no, none exist, nor will they ever.
 
tsuehpsyde said:
If you mean 1GB size as in 2x512MB, no....they've been beaten that by....a few years.
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i'll venture a bit more than a few years :p
 
So eclipse what do you think of the new gskills? the old black HS ones? think they can achieve 290?

If not, which 2GB set is the most inexpensive to? with decent timings. those xtreem seem like theyll never be in but they come w/ 3 different ram chips...infineon, samsung and micron, which are the best?
 
the g.skills are the exact same thing as anything else based on CE-6 and binned to 250mhz.. the ocz EB, mushkin redline, and the teamgroup cronus infineon that's all rated to 3-3-2 timings.... ;)
the HS.. meh. you could try it it if you wanted. either way, don't bet a penny on getting infineon up to 290mhz unless you have a hand-picked stick.

imo, micron is your best bet if you want to get close to or break 300mhz. so far, that means either find some more ballistix, or wait for the teamgroup micron
the new ocz EL.. i'm not positive that it's micron yet, nor do i know how it performs. can't be too bad though
 
i'd advise you read the last line of my last post again ;)

also, which ocz platinum. there's two now. both of which i have covered
i'm not even gonna get into corsair cause everything they have that is equivilent is around $20-50 more.
 
that's the EB.. ;)

unless you want me to copy and paste everything i've said about them so far in one spot.

the key thing here is to know what IC's the sticks use. basically, there's 3 choices

infineon CE-6, usually tops out around 260-270mhz with 3-3-2 timings, with some going a bit higher than that. has issues staying stable in gaming
samsung UCCC, does 265-285mhz.. though at 3-4-4 :(
micron 5b D and 5b F.. i don't like D anymore, cause it keeps dying. the only real report on F i've seen is in my own rig, and it does 295mhz at 3-3-3.
 
i didnt know what EB sticks OCZ has.
what about TCCD and Bh5? What are they?
And another stupid question, where can you find what sticks use what chips? Newegg doesnt tell you that and ive seen only a handful of etailers that tell you .
 
you ask me of course :p

also, tccd and bh-5 can't come in 1gb sticks. all the above mentioned chips are 64mb. tccd and bh-5 are only 32mb. 16 chips, which is what a normal stick of ram has, only yields 512mb, not the needed 1024mb :(
 
Are 512MB sticks better or something? I mean then the max you can have is 2GB. Everyone gets 2x512 but why not 1GB sticks? Whats up with that? Are they just made better? Of course I ask you Freelance overclocker.
 
well, lower density ram typically overclocks better.. like how i got my 128mb stick of crucial value up to 265mhz at 2.5-2-2 from it's200mhz, 3-3-3 spec ;)

the things against 512mb is that when you want 2gb, you need 4 sticks. this is quite taxing on the memory controller and is generally an unwise move.

if you only want 1gb.. most systems are dual channel capable these days, 2x512mb will give you much better performance than a single 1gb stick will
 
Doesnt the DFI Expert board handle the 4x512MB for 2GB? I want to be able to upgrade to 2GB since future (some now) games will require that to run nicely. I even have trouble upping specs on q4.
 
Eclipse would you be able to list the sticks (preferrably 2x1GB) that have the micron 5bF chips? I know the Teamgroup xtreem have them right? And the OCX Platinum XTC are coming with them? Any others? thanks
 
making a revival from the dead here to answer this. don't expect any more replies for a while though ;)

so far, the only stuff i know of for sure is the teamgroup cronus micron
the ocz platinum EL might have them, but i've yet to even see those sticks in the wild, so don't hold your breath on that one ;)
 
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