Right, the N and Z series aren't 64bit. But the 230 and 330 are 64bit and they are the current models. So, if a netbook manufacturer wants to sell a netbook with Win7 on it, they can use a 230 or a 330 and 64bit Win7.
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Right, the N and Z series aren't 64bit. But the 230 and 330 are 64bit and they are the current models. So, if a netbook manufacturer wants to sell a netbook with Win7 on it, they can use a 230 or a 330 and 64bit Win7.
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Most netbooks are 32bit. They use N270 and N280.
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The 230 and 330 are not targeted at the netbook segment. These are low cost machines typically and Intel doesn't make a lot of money on them. Why add features that you're not making money on that nobody needs? 32 bit is here to stay for a while.
I wish Windows had a "customize" option during install to pick components I want.
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That's not supported in the GUI installer I don't think but you can setup automated installs to do this I believe.
It did and people complained that it "took to long".
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It can be done if they use a ram disk to hold configurations before it formats the disk. Windows can ask all the questions at the beginning. That is how some Linux distros do it.
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I think they should drop the home basic version, but otherwise its fine.
Home Premium - Everything a home user would need
Business - Everything a business user would need
Ultimate - Everything + extra content like the old "Plus Pack" addons.
What's so difficult about it?
Home Premium - Everything a home user would need
Business - Everything a business user would need
Ultimate - Everything + extra content like the old "Plus Pack" addons.
What's so difficult about it?
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That's how it is -
While there ARE more versions, access to all but 3 are going to be limited so in the real world all you see is home premium, professional, and ultimate. The rest are on limited access to special markets.
source:
http://lifehacker.com/5145732/windows-7-version-lineup-simplified-to-three
While there ARE more versions, access to all but 3 are going to be limited so in the real world all you see is home premium, professional, and ultimate. The rest are on limited access to special markets.
source:
http://lifehacker.com/5145732/windows-7-version-lineup-simplified-to-three
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You mean the Home/Pro/Server/Tablet/Media Center method of XP.
There was no XP server and you never could buy Tablet and Media Center editions in retail. there's absolutely nothing at all that's confusing about this product line up for the average consumer, its just like XP, Home or Pro.
The one thing that does surprise me is that I thought for sure that they'd have netbook edition of some sort. People were saying that Microsoft was practically giving XP away for netbooks to compete with Linux. I guess the issue is if MS charges full price for a license for netbooks, and the number I've always heard was that a Windows license if like $50 for PC makers, with that hurt them in the netbook space. Mary Jo Folley on Zdnet was blogging about this and it is an interesting question.
It could if the Linux version of the machine is $50 less unless Microsoft thinks that its no big deal. The average consumer is going to want Windows 7 over Linux but are they willing to pay about 20% more or so for the privileged?
There was an interview of Ubuntu's CEO about this a few weeks back and I guess he was thinking that if Microsoft charges standard prices for Windows 7 on netbooks that it give Ubuntu an edge which does make sense.
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It is more like $20 to $30. No way 7 is going to be priced that low for an OS that will have 7 to 10yrs of patch support. Netbook for 7 will be priced least $60 more. It makes a big difference when the few netbooks are going to be target at $220. Also, Intel not allowing Nvidia to play this game will hurt MS too. These netbooks will have difficulty doing Aero.
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Like I said a while back I was only going on what Ubuntu's CEO said about XP pricing possibly being below that of Linux. He said it not me. If it was BS then is was BS. I'm just saying what he said. I don't know one way other the other.
What are they going to charge for the netbook licenses? I doubt it will be any different than what they charge for any other platform. I don't know and I guess no one really knows how this will affect sales of Windows 7 netbooks. Obviously more expensive isn't going to help sales, but how much it will hurt is open for debate. But judging by how fast Windows XP got adopted it may not be that bad. 7 might even help Microsoft's bottom line in the netbook area. Lose maybe a few sales but get a much better profit margin per unit. That's my guess at how they are looking at it for now. Maybe they'll have to rethink it once the numbers come in.
As for netbooks and Aero, all the stuff I've seen about netbook performance and Aero has been very positive. Pretty much all of the major netbooks are using the Intel 950 and it has no problems with Aero from any account that I've read.
Having many version is not good nor bad for people who pay for the stuff, they can research and see what fit them best and not over spend, but you will over spend if you always buy the top of the line since then the cost is not offset by basic users that would otherwise in a single version.
However I hate this because I have not paid(transparently) for an OS since, include, XP. I want the ultimate version, and I can almost guarantee you that the ultimate version will NOT be on msdnaa, maybe professional.
If this was a one version deal, I can almost be certain what they will give me for free, well, fees are kind of in the tuition already just that I don't see it.
However I hate this because I have not paid(transparently) for an OS since, include, XP. I want the ultimate version, and I can almost guarantee you that the ultimate version will NOT be on msdnaa, maybe professional.
If this was a one version deal, I can almost be certain what they will give me for free, well, fees are kind of in the tuition already just that I don't see it.
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Was Vista Ultimate on MSDNAA? It should be because I'm sure it will be on regular MSDN. i thought the only difference with AA was the pricing and that it had to go to an educational institution.
It depends on whatever version the school wants to pay for. My school had Vista Business on it's MSDNAA.
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Thanks that's quite different from the regular MSDN as its the developer tools that change with each level, the OS and apps are the same for each level.
It's actually quite a brilliant way for MS to make moar moenyz! For only a small $100 upgrade you too can have transparent gui and open up 4, yes count em 4, different apps at once!!
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You're confusing Vista Home Basic with Vista Starter. Starter is a super cheap version only sold in low income emerging markets.
Home Basic is like Home Premium without Media Center, DVD maker, or Aero Glass/transparency effects. It really only exists because Intel wanted their older graphics chips to be Vista capable.
Or MS can sell a 32bit Win7 too.
You're not a socialist are you? We shouldn't all have to have the same number of bits.
yep the bs model they did on vista sucked...just more money and more trash installed on your system.
Install ONLY what I paid for.
1 version.....2 max business and home. FULL network and media in both.
ALL video and support for games...no more of this bs microcrap
AND NO DRM...you are an OS not a spycop
Install ONLY what I paid for.
1 version.....2 max business and home. FULL network and media in both.
ALL video and support for games...no more of this bs microcrap
AND NO DRM...you are an OS not a spycop
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It is a goddamn shame, after all this time, this point still needs to be explained. Microsoft doesn't have much of a choice to incorporate DRM. Had they chosen not too, you wouldn't be able to play back or record the various forms of media that you do. DRM is not Microsoft's doing. If you want to get your panties all in a bunch over DRM, at least take the time to understand who's forcing it on you and why.
I'd like to start a petition that DRM should stand for Don't Read Much.....because the people who bitch about it and blame Microsoft simply don't D.R.M.
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Huh?
The Vista choices are practically identical to the model they used with XP:
-Starter is only bundled with extremely low-end machines in developing countries. (Same as XP Starter Edition)
-Home Basic for budget systems (Comparable to XP Home)
-Home Premium for home users (Comparable to XP MCE)
-Business for small/medium business (Comparable to XP Pro)
-Enterprise for large scale deployments (Identical to business, just a different activation system)
-Ultimate for all the features of Home Premium and Business + Extras (Comparable to XP MCE with the XP Plus Pack)
Uh, they do. The home versions lack a few specific features that are in the Business version that home users (typically) would never use, like domains.
Microsoft didn't put DRM in Vista. They put in the framework necessary to support Blu-Ray playback. The DRM is on the disks and in the playback software.
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Thanks for pointing this out. A lot of the DRM that was put into Windows was explicitly for the point of supporting BluRay and Windows is still the OS that has official support for it I think, not sure about Macs. You see a lot of Windows laptops coming with BluRay drives these days.
Personally I'm getting a little wary of people who do nothing but attack DRM. I'm not a big fan of it and at the same time a lot of people are just not going to pay for anything no matter the price.
Why does everyone defend every damn thing these companies do.
Starter is only bundled with extremely low-end machines in developing countries. (Same as XP Starter Edition)
-Home Basic for budget systems (Comparable to XP Home)
-Home Premium for home users (Comparable to XP MCE)
-Business for small/medium business (Comparable to XP Pro)
-Enterprise for large scale deployments (Identical to business, just a different activation system)
-Ultimate for all the features of Home Premium and Business + Extras (Comparable to XP MCE with the XP Plus Pack)
******this was PURE BS
and most of these were added later.. at first there was xp pro and xp home.
that is more than enough.
NO NOT WITH VISTA
we had more BS than we could stand and OH if you are a gamer you need the most expensive version. WHY? M O N E Y...
More confusion, then when you want something you will pay again for some small thing.
DRM was incorporated into the os. DO NOT say it wasn't
fine do it that way....BUT let the co's dictating what is in and out pay for it...vista should have been free to the home users and the co's adding all kinds of BS should have been paying for it.
I do understand your statement of the co's and not Microsoft on some of this stuff. My buddy plays blu disk on his computer with a PAID version of his player. You would not belive the BS he goes thru every time he inserts a disk. So if they force the co making the player to jump thru hoops you can bet your ass they are telling (paying) ms to do the same.
AND DO NOT call me a thief because I feel this is wrong.
Hell I purchased an OS ....they can take out all the music and vido playing features and I would be more than happy.
Same with my ip filtering all my packets looking for music. I don't dl music I WANT FAST for gaming.
OH you are a thief and we will catch you...Let the music co's pay for this BS not me. I get called and treated a pirate because I ?????? own a computer?
And I guess you call me a thief because I don't like bs like this.
Starter is only bundled with extremely low-end machines in developing countries. (Same as XP Starter Edition)
-Home Basic for budget systems (Comparable to XP Home)
-Home Premium for home users (Comparable to XP MCE)
-Business for small/medium business (Comparable to XP Pro)
-Enterprise for large scale deployments (Identical to business, just a different activation system)
-Ultimate for all the features of Home Premium and Business + Extras (Comparable to XP MCE with the XP Plus Pack)
******this was PURE BS
and most of these were added later.. at first there was xp pro and xp home.
that is more than enough.
NO NOT WITH VISTA
we had more BS than we could stand and OH if you are a gamer you need the most expensive version. WHY? M O N E Y...
More confusion, then when you want something you will pay again for some small thing.
DRM was incorporated into the os. DO NOT say it wasn't
fine do it that way....BUT let the co's dictating what is in and out pay for it...vista should have been free to the home users and the co's adding all kinds of BS should have been paying for it.
I do understand your statement of the co's and not Microsoft on some of this stuff. My buddy plays blu disk on his computer with a PAID version of his player. You would not belive the BS he goes thru every time he inserts a disk. So if they force the co making the player to jump thru hoops you can bet your ass they are telling (paying) ms to do the same.
AND DO NOT call me a thief because I feel this is wrong.
Hell I purchased an OS ....they can take out all the music and vido playing features and I would be more than happy.
Same with my ip filtering all my packets looking for music. I don't dl music I WANT FAST for gaming.
OH you are a thief and we will catch you...Let the music co's pay for this BS not me. I get called and treated a pirate because I ?????? own a computer?
And I guess you call me a thief because I don't like bs like this.
I am not even going to get on the DRM train because it's obvious you do not know much about it.
Now, in regards to needing the most expensive version to play a game... that is also wrong.
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No, you don't.
No, it wasn't.
Moar tinfoil!
Its pretty clear that
1. You haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
2. You haven't actually used Vista.
All anyone needs is the most basic version. All of the rest have various crap-apps installed which the user ends up downloading a third-party program instead. The less MS products you use, the less control MS has on you, the better off you become.
I hate to be a stickler about this, but the above is incorrect. MSDNAA can not be purchased by an entire school, it's a department (or college within a school) level of subscription.
The software you get with it is set, there's no negotiation or a la carte pick and choose.
See: MSDN Academic Alliance Memberships Comparison
Most schools have some sort of volume license agreement, which is different from MSDNAA, which then covers individual applications where you can indeed pick and choose what you want to buy.
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How does MS have any control over what we do whether we use Windows Mail or IE over Thunderbird and Firefox?
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I think that has more to do with Apple culture in general.
Considering how much Apple products cost you'd better not be getting a cheaper version of their OS. There are no cheap Apple products. Microsoft OS's run on far more machines with a variety of uses. It wouldn't make sense to put a full featured and expensive OS on a netbook when all you need is basic web browsing and media playback.
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Really? People didn't use an OS becuase they... had the freedom to choose what they wanted flavor they wanted?
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Apple only had one version for two reasons....first being that Apple's typically aren't incorporated into any business network, in terms of management from the network admins. Second being, only one version was created because that's all Steve Jobs told his brainwashed masses that they needed.
Death go back and check when vista was first released. IF you wanted DX10 you had no option but ultimate.
Funny when they say a lot of cost is to develope multi os versions. Then they introduce more and more. by their own words wouldn't 1 version save money?
Funny when they say a lot of cost is to develope multi os versions. Then they introduce more and more. by their own words wouldn't 1 version save money?
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I use Linux, xBSD, Windows, and OSX. I think multiple versions for Windows 7 is a good idea. OSX is a uniformed hardware platform. Hardware and OS come from the same vendor. The integration is tighter. One version is more ideal for OSX. Linux and xBSD are an open platform that means anyone can start their own OS flavors based on their target markets and mission statements. Windows have different market segments for their target markets. They are on game, corporate, and home markets. People have different needs and offering different products are more ideal. However, it seems like few Windows 7 versions arent needed. Some versions dont seem to be required, but multiple versions are required for MS.