the government records all calls and messages in the united states, all of them
Categorically false.
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the government records all calls and messages in the united states, all of them
Categorically false.
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It's been going on since 9/11 and will continue. And personally, I don't have any issue with it. The pragmatist in me doesn't give a shit, since because I'm not a terrorist the system will never affect me. The idealist in me thinks that the best type of security is that which is invisible, and I would much rather some CIA agent know where I am than, say, my parents. And to be completely honest, the nerd in me thinks it's pretty cool that we have the ability to do this.
And no, I do not think the government is out to get me. Call me ignorant, stupid, a sheep...etc all you want. But I haven't seen any evidence that the government has malicious intent.
Also, the fact that many in this thread did not know that the type of tracking mentioned in the article already exists should tell you something about its intrusiveness. If you didn't even know the government has been tracking you for the past nine years, how can you say such tracking negatively affects you?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10451518-38.htmlthe Obama administration has argued that warrantless tracking is permitted because Americans enjoy no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in their--or at least their cell phones'--whereabouts. U.S. Department of Justice lawyers say that "a customer's Fourth Amendment rights are not violated when the phone company reveals to the government its own records" that show where a mobile device placed and received calls.
Yep, no differences at all. Never mind that the largest Bush deficit is smaller than the smallest Obama deficit. In fact, the first Obama deficit is larger than Bush's 8 year total. And soon we will be told that taxes just "have" to be raised as Obama tries to pretend that he is a deficit hawk. I think this graph shows a pretty big difference in ACTIONS.
I will tell you another huge difference: one party wanted to increase the cost and decrease the quality of healthcare for people who are currently insured so that jobless deadbeats could get insurance. The other party stopped it cold.
What it comes down to, both parties spend insane amounts of money, cater to special interest groups, and are increasing the size of the government.
new world order. theyre trying to grow big enough to envelop enough resources to create a real world government, one that has final say on all land of this planet. itll happen eventually, especially because we citizens dont have near the spine we used to. this all started 100 years ago with the federal reserve, but you can imagine how long it had to take to dull the most rebellious people in centuries. now that we have the best of everything, it wasnt hard to rip up the freedom contract and claim it to 'be for the better'.
oh. my. god. may he have mercy on your enslaved soul! seriously though, i am disheartened that you would know exactly what theyre doing to us and still think its OK. its not, and if you have ever been steamrolled by the bullshit legal system you would be terrified of this domestic random wire tapping.
this i agree. i still regularly have to explain to people the bill that was passed into law around 2001, which mandated that all cell phones be tracked by gps at all times. does everyone really think gps was made for and given to us because its so cheap and easy to implement? hell no.
To me, that's a fine tradeoff. The government is not doing anything to me. They're doing something to the bits of information flowing through the air that orginated from my cell phone, yes; but they aren't doing anything to me. From my perspective, I see no difference in a world with wiretapping and a world without wiretapping other than the pros and cons I listed above. Furthermore, I don't see how anyone could claim the contrary. What has the wiretapping done to you? The ideal security system is one which legitimate users do not even notice exists.
gps is just a signal we read too, its not like they can actually tell whos using it or not. not the regular gps we use anyway.
you have an extremely narrow view on this subject. i got all this info from pbs, its all over public tv. you dont need a cia informant to know that we are being controlled like cattle...
they're invading your privacy lol, thats like a random person, looking at you thru your house window, recording you with a camera
I've read a few references to 1984. What is it?
Categorically false.
Regardless of who it is or where they are doing it. IT IS STILL INVASION OF PRIVACYA random person recording me through my window all day would make me uncomfortable, yes.
But if someone was paid by the government to record me through my window for five seconds without me knowing when - just knowing that it would happen sometime throughout the day - I wouldn't feel as invaded.
And if that person was going to do the recording from an undercover vehicle that I wouldn't notice, I would feel even less invaded.
And if that person was going to record 2,000 other homes along with mine, I would feel even less invaded.
And if that person was only going to record half of the homes in the community, and I wouldn't know if mine was selected or not, I would feel even less invaded.
And if a computer would actually be doing the recordings, with only a very small chance that my recording would be viewed by a human in an office miles away, I would feel even less invaded.
The larger and farther away a security operation is from its users, the less invasion of privacy takes place. Knowing that your phone call might be listened to, along with thousands of others, by some guy you'll never meet, in an unknown location, for a few seconds at most is, IMO, hardly an invasion of privacy at all.
in this capitalistic system we "all love",
What exactly are they "doing to us?" If it weren't for my contacts in the CIA, I would have no idea any of this was happening. How is this system negatively affecting my life? The way I see it, the effects of the tracking on me are:
I've read a few references to 1984. What is it?
Alright, I can solve this problem. Turn the phone off, and remove the battery. Doesn't exactly work when you need to receive calls though.
I'm calling BS. Why would anyone in the CIA risk their jobs and national security telling you their plans so you could come and play "I have inside info everybody!" on a internet message forum? Nope, not buying it.
We do not live in a Capitalist system, don't fool yourself. China is more Capitalist than the U.S. is.
Sure you can...pull the battery.
Or use a cash paid for disposable phone then teh report doesn't link to anyone...just the phone.
My father worked for AT&T his whole adult life. (Retired a while back). They had the ability to record any call made back in the 70's. Fact. They did so without warrants.
I'm calling BS. Why would anyone in the CIA risk their jobs and national security telling you their plans so you could come and play "I have inside info everybody!" on a internet message forum? Nope, not buying it.