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20" S-IPS panels, LM201U0x

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This thread is about the comparing 20" (A)S-IPS panels. In particular, I will post my findings about the 4:3 LM201U04 and LM201U05 panels, and compare to the 16:9 LM201WE2 panel.

For reference, the following monitors use these panels (according to TFT central):
LM201U04: Dell 2001FP, NEC LCD2070NX, BenQ FP2091
LM201U05: HP LP2065, LG L2000C, NEC LCD2090UXi, BenQ FP2092
LM201WE2: NEC LCD20WGX2

xbit labs has posted a large 20" tft roundup where it is possible to compare these panels.
It is interesting to compare the two BenQs FP2091 (using the older panel - http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/20-21inch-2_11.html) and the FP2092 (using the newer panel - http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/20-21inch-2_13.html).

The result is that these two panels don't differ very much. Both have relatively average contrast, and quite slow response rate (peak around 30ms, but doesn't fall much below this) as they don't use any form of RTC.

This is in sharp contrast to the NEC LCD20WGX2, which uses an AS-IPS panel with RTC, and as a result peaks at just 10ms (albeit introducing some RTC errors).

For comparison's sake, an accelerated MVA matrix (eg. the Acer AL2032WA, http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/20-21inch-2_5.html) normally keeps under 10ms, though it shoots up to 60ms for very dark tones.

So I guess we don't have an equivalent 4:3 screen to compete with NEC's 16:9 offering yet. I would have liked a detailed test of the HP LP2065 which I'm considering buying, but results should be similar to the BenQ, which uses the same panel.

Comments and flames welcome :)
 
What about the Dell 2007fp? Is that LG panel part of the dell lottery beween IPS and PVA screens?

I'm currently looking for a 20" 4:3. The 2 that interest me the most are the Dell 2007fp and HP 2065
 
The dell 2007fp is a lottery as far as the panel is concerned, but your chances are not good if you want an S-IPS panel. It seems all recent 2007fp monitors now use a PVA panel (as far as I can tell by reading forums).

As you may have noticed, there isn't a whole lot of choice for 20 inch 4:3 panels (that's what I'm interested in too). You can check out my older thread entitled "Need 1600x1200 monitor" for options, but if you want an S-IPS panel I think the best buy is the HP LP2065, and probably what I will end up buying.

If you meant the LG monitor (2000C), then as far as I know there's no lottery, it uses an S-IPS panel. There have been issues about colour banding on this one (just as there were for the dell) - I think they've been fixed but I'm not sure, try to look it up.
 
zyxi said:
but if you want an S-IPS panel I think the best buy is the HP LP2065, and probably what I will end up buying.
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AFAIK the HP LP20065 is a S-PVA panel, as listed here ... now the really dumb question: Is that the same? And, no, I am not kidding, I genuinely do not know.
 
wizzackr said:
AFAIK the HP LP20065 is a S-PVA panel, as listed here ... now the really dumb question: Is that the same? And, no, I am not kidding, I genuinely do not know.
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Try here for the answer to that and other questions you may have. ;)
 
You're kidding! Not another lottery? I was actually placing my order for it and checked back to the forum for any last updates...

Have you got any reason to believe it's a S-PVA panel except for that particular link? My own research has suggested otherwise. For example:

A thread on this forum:
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1029863556&postcount=19
[and the links within]

A guy who dismantled it to check (and forum thread):
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1004&message=20192314
[curiously all the pictures seem his except for the last one which seems to be taken from the link below]

And another:
http://www.svethardware.cz/art_doc-2D844F4A6FA50C8CC125719E00490EAF.html

And the info on TFT central:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk [just stick LP2065 in the model search]


I'm about to order, so if you have any other info, I'd really appreciate it (and so would a lot of other people I'm sure). I did some googling of my own, and indeed some sites claim it is S-PVA while others argue convincingly that it's S-IPS. I'm wondering if it's a regional thing, with HP using different panels in different regions... Hmmmmm...
 
joemama said:
Try here for the answer to that and other questions you may have. ;)
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woha, thanks a bunch, joemama! Now THAT looks like some comprehensive info - off to read ;)

zyxi said:
I'm about to order, so if you have any other info, I'd really appreciate it (and so would a lot of other people I'm sure). I did some googling of my own, and indeed some sites claim it is S-PVA while others argue convincingly that it's S-IPS. I'm wondering if it's a regional thing, with HP using different panels in different regions...
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Unfortunately I don't have any other info - but I would definitely love to know myself. A friend of mine who is into graphic design asked me for advice on a TFT panel, so I was browsing for S-IPS panels a lot. ... cannot find the info on HPs site anywhere, either :confused:

edit: I have to add that the site is pretty accurate as far as I know... which would be a bugger of epic proportions, of course.
 
oddly, too, the LG L2000C is specified as an MVA panel on their webpage here. That pretty much only leaves the NEC MultiSync LCD20WGX2 as a guaranteed 20" S-IPS panel in his price-range from what I've found so far :(
 
wizzackr said:
oddly, too, the LG L2000C is specified as an MVA panel on their webpage here. That pretty much only leaves the NEC MultiSync LCD20WGX2 as a guaranteed 20" S-IPS panel in his price-range from what I've found so far :(
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The NEC LCD2070NX is also an S-IPS in 20 inches within the price range.
 
travbomb said:
The NEC LCD2070NX is also an S-IPS in 20 inches within the price range.
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Thanks for the info - will have a look at it ASAP. However, it is 100 bucks more compared to the HP. Did anyone verify it is not a S-IPS, yet? :(
 
I would go with the HP 2065. Most things say this is S-IPS and U05 version of the panel at that. The only thing above is one vendor site that says it is not S-IPS. What are you going to believe. A foreign vendor site or some guy in North America that actually dismantled it to see?
 
Snowdog said:
A foreign vendor site or some guy in North America that actually dismantled it to see?
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I, as a foreign guy, would NEVER trust these people, only North American people :D
All in good fun, buddy - yeah, I will give the HP a go. Probably a typo - even though the site is really accurate usually...
 
Well, I've ordered one, so I'll post back soon with conclusions and a mini-review...
 
zyxi said:
Well, I've ordered one, so I'll post back soon with conclusions and a mini-review...
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Good to hear. I was about to jump the gun as well, but now that you already did I'll gladly wait for your input ;)
 
OK, I've received my HP LP2065, and I can confirm it's an S-IPS panel. I'm not going to dismantle it, but looking from the side, blacks become a definite purple. Also, shadow detail is consistent across the screen, both perpendicularly and from an angle.

My first impressions are good, but I'll not post a review yet as there is a problem: the dreaded high-pitched whine. My monitor emits a not-so-loud but quite intrusive high pitched sound while operating :( I am guessing this is the same as the sound which has been reported from the NEC 2070NX.

As an aside, I had a laptop which emitted the exact same sound (although louder), and its screen died a few weeks later. The fault was with the inverter unit, and after RMAing it and getting the inverter replaced, the whine disappeared.

So I'm not sure whether my unit is defective, or whether these monitors actually emit this sound. Does anybody here have an HP LP2065? Can you hear a high pitched sound when the monitor is on? Keep in mind that it's not loud and you can probably only hear it in a quiet environment (but as my room is quiet, it's quite annoying). Funnily enough, it is loudest just when I press the power button to turn it off, for about one second (ie. the time when the screen is black but the green light hasn't turned off yet). Pressing the "input" button has the same effect for around a second while the screen syncronizes.
 
wizzackr said:
oddly, too, the LG L2000C is specified as an MVA panel on their webpage here. That pretty much only leaves the NEC MultiSync LCD20WGX2 as a guaranteed 20" S-IPS panel in his price-range from what I've found so far :(
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this is scary, it seems they've removed the word of MVA from LG's global site.

they are rolling out the L2000C-BF here is Canada, according to their brochure , it's S-IPS panel, was thinking to get one :eek:
 
wlee1225 said:
this is scary, it seems they've removed the word of MVA from LG's global site.

they are rolling out the L2000C-BF here is Canada, according to their brochure , it's S-IPS panel, was thinking to get one :eek:
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I'm waiting for LG Canada for a feedback about what panel they have inside before ordering one (I've called them and sent them an email)..... As soon as I have some info I'll let you guys know. Screw MVA :eek: If I wanted one I would go for a Viewsoninc 930B.... I'm just affraid that there is a good reason why HP L2065 costs about $100 more :rolleyes:
 
amd7674 said:
I'm waiting for LG Canada for a feedback about what panel they have inside before ordering one (I've called them and sent them an email)..... As soon as I have some info I'll let you guys know. Screw MVA :eek: If I wanted one I would go for a Viewsoninc 930B.... I'm just affraid that there is a good reason why HP L2065 costs about $100 more :rolleyes:
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Please keep us posted :) LG L2000C-BF is around CA$430 (too good to be true :rolleyes: i'm planing to see the display instore), while the cheaper version of HP L2605 goes for $560 -10%.
 
wlee1225 said:
Please keep us posted :) LG L2000C-BF is around CA$430 (too good to be true :rolleyes: i'm planing to see the display instore), while the cheaper version of HP L2605 goes for $560 -10%.
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Where? I am in Canada and I haven't seen these (L2000C) anywhere in Canada, not even online. That would be a steal for S-IPS.
 
Snowdog said:
Where? I am in Canada and I haven't seen these (L2000C) anywhere in Canada, not even online. That would be a steal for S-IPS.
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Few places has them, most of them are out of stock...i.e. DirectCanada CA$430

hxxp://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12600MN0731&vpn=L2000C-BF&manufacture=LG

I'm trying to find out from LG Canada if they are shipping units with S-IPS panel or is it another lottery, by looking at the price it might be.... :(
 
Snowdog said:
Where? I am in Canada and I haven't seen these (L2000C) anywhere in Canada, not even online. That would be a steal for S-IPS.
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some stores in GTA i've contacted will be getting it in the next few weeks, some other stores in GVR area are taking preorder like NCIX and Can Computer. I'd prefer to get a confirmation from LG Canada and see it in store before pulling the trigger :)
 
After doing some digging it seems it is very possible LG switched to P-MVA panel. It may be using either S-IPS or P-MVA panel. By looks of it and taking price into consideration it seems LG will use AUO P-MVA (M201UN02 V5) used in likes of:

Neovo X-20B has a 20 inch 8 ms (g2g) P-MVA (AUO M201UN02 V5) panel.
Neovo X-20BV has a 20 inch 8 ms (g2g) P-MVA (AUO M201UN02 V5) panel.
ViewSonic VP2030b has a 20 inch 8 ms (g2g) P-MVA (AUO M201UN02 V5) panel.

http://axofiber.no-ip.org/inside/monitor.lcd.panels.htm
http://lcdtech.no-ip.info/data/lcd.panels.htm

This is a pure speculation on my part, I hope I'm wrong :)

I'll post official feedback from LG Canada, if they ever get back to me...... :rolleyes:

I guess we'll have to wait for HP L2065 to go down in price :(
 
Then you would have cause to return it for a full refunds as the L2000C brochure clearly says S-IPS.
 
This doesn't exactly help on deciding on the LP2065, but here it is anyways.

(HP live chat session)

you: I was wondering if the LP2065 was a S-IPS screen
Kevin: Happy to check on that for you, just a moment, please.
you: Ok
Kevin: Thanks for waiting online.
Kevin: I'm sorry that the LP2065 is not a S-IPS screen.
you: What kind is it then?
Kevin: It is a TFT Monitor.


Quality support right there.
 
Snowdog said:
Then you would have cause to return it for a full refunds as the L2000C brochure clearly says S-IPS.
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Do not forget LG's PDF contains this on each page:
"Design and specifications are subject to change without prior notice".... this means to me they can do whatever they want....:mad:

I had a guy calling me from LG Canada today and he said that all the LG monitor LCD panels up to 32" use TN .... I've said but your website/pdf file says other wise your specs are all wrong and he ask me to send him URLs so I did....if he ever gets back I'll let you know :rolleyes:
 
I don't understand why you guys arnt buying the 2070NX @ $450 and S-IPS. Sure the LG L2000C and HP 2065 has it and the Dell 2007 (sometimes) but they all cost more or look worse. I mean that HP is Ugly. Dell is a lotto. Just get the NEC and be happy like the 20 or so peoples who want to have my child after I got them one in their setup. I mean they can't stop raving. Wide screen only one decent choice and that's the 20WMGX2 also from NEC. I own this one waiting for 24" IPS.
 
tightline said:
I don't understand why you guys arnt buying the 2070NX @ $450 and S-IPS. Sure the LG L2000C and HP 2065 has it and the Dell 2007 (sometimes) but they all cost more or look worse. I mean that HP is Ugly. Dell is a lotto. Just get the NEC and be happy like the 20 or so peoples who want to have my child after I got them one in their setup. I mean they can't stop raving. Wide screen only one decent choice and that's the 20WMGX2 also from NEC. I own this one waiting for 24" IPS.
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2070NX uses an older version of panel and it's more expensive than LG and HP here in Canada :confused:
 
amd7674 said:
Do not forget LG's PDF contains this on each page:
"Design and specifications are subject to change without prior notice".... this means to me they can do whatever they want....:mad:

I had a guy calling me from LG Canada today and he said that all the LG monitor LCD panels up to 32" use TN .... I've said but your website/pdf file says other wise your specs are all wrong and he ask me to send him URLs so I did....if he ever gets back I'll let you know :rolleyes:
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i plan to check L2000C out once it's in store around the end of this month, how do i tell if it's IPS or MVA using my untrained eyes? :rolleyes: can't wait
 
LG 2000C is a market-by-market panel lottery. In some parts of the world it's S-IPS. In other parts of the world it's something different. The North American version is not S-IPS.

LP2065 is S-IPS. Unlike what would be expected from other panel technologies, the only noticeable color shift is that blacks go pink-purple when viewed far off axis.
 
Overwind, what evidence are you going by that the L2000C is not S-IPS in North America?
 
wlee1225 said:
Please keep us posted :) LG L2000C-BF is around CA$430 (too good to be true :rolleyes: i'm planing to see the display instore), while the cheaper version of HP L2605 goes for $560 -10%.
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Wlee1225 where did you see $560 - 10%? I presume this is in CND dollars?

thx
 
amd7674 said:
Wlee1225 where did you see $560 - 10%? I presume this is in CND dollars?

thx
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CompuSmart with 10% coupon from visaperks.ca, free shipping too. currently EPP price is 475.xx :rolleyes:

EDIT: the return policy is no good, 15% restocking fee.
 
Overwind may be incorrect. The L2000C is S-IPS from the two Ive seen in USA. At a glance I could tell it was defenity IPS. This may have changed in recent months though. However, the stand is cheap and flimsy and rickty so I would stay away either way.. You all act as if the "old" panel in NEC 2070 is worse when the only thing that has changed is from a marketing standpoint to keep up with the other maufacturers - eg. stating gray to gray response times instead of on/off. Also inflating contrast and quoting dynamic ratios.

http://www.lgsuperseller.com/produc...000212&umod_id=100404&umod_name=L2000C&flag=1

Here it says IPS but then it says MVA somewhere else. Web programmers are known to be clueless though. I saw the NEC 20WMGX2 was said to have a TN at NEC's UK site until I corrected them.
 
wlee1225 said:
2070NX uses an older version of panel and it's more expensive than LG and HP here in Canada :confused:
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In USA the NEC is $180 cheaper. $415 vs. $595 and the panel is the same for all intents and purposes...but I wager NEC electronics are better with thier experiance in the high end space.
 
tightline said:
In USA the NEC is $180 cheaper. $415 vs. $595 and the panel is the same for all intents and purposes...but I wager NEC electronics are better with thier experiance in the high end space.
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Where the heck are you getting those prices? $595 That is more than the price in Canada for any of them.

I checked newegg:
HP L2065: $389 or $349 after mail in rebate. Clearly the one to get if you are in the USA.
NEC 2070nx: $489.

Completely backwards to what you suggest.
 
Snowdog said:
Where the heck are you getting those prices? $595 That is more than the price in Canada for any of them.

I checked newegg:
HP L2065: $389 or $349 after mail in rebate. Clearly the one to get if you are in the USA.
NEC 2070nx: $489.

Completely backwards to what you suggest.
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Newegg is for suxerz $415 at page yesterday

We were talking about the LG L2000C

http://store.pagecomputers.com/cata...LCD_Monitors/20_inch/738342.html#tab_overview

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A0652611&cs=04&c=us&l=en
 
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