Biostar Tforce overclocking stories??

Hmmm...crap, that would have been a rather instant-buy if it had. Looks like a nice enough case, but it's too damn cold in the garage for any dremel action on anything this season.
 
long time reader first time poster.

i am thinking of going SFF and am interested in this mobo. i want to overclock so my question to all of you is will this mobo hit 300htt on a 3000+ venice. the venice i have can reach 2.7ghz @ 1.55v. just wondering if this mobo has the potential to reach my goal. of course i will be using a stand-alone vid card. thanks.
 
aiya said:
long time reader first time poster.

i am thinking of going SFF and am interested in this mobo. i want to overclock so my question to all of you is will this mobo hit 300htt on a 3000+ venice. the venice i have can reach 2.7ghz @ 1.55v. just wondering if this mobo has the potential to reach my goal. of course i will be using a stand-alone vid card. thanks.
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Ya, I love this mobo.
 
Right thanks for the screen shots :)

I'm now up at 265FSB (10 multi) and she seems stable at that (prime stable) with mem @ 220 2-5-2-2-1T 3.0v (best i've had it at!) and can run up to 269 easily enough. But anything at 270 or above is a no post.

Any suggestions?

EDIT: thats at 1.55v but even at a low multi I can't get a high FSB. Trieed a 133 divder too.

EDIT 2: Disabled the PMU and the frame buffer and in at 270FSB
 
aeronautics said:
Another question. Does anyone know how to get rid of the tforce logo at startup and just show the usual post information? I saw something in one of the bios revisions about disabling the epa logo, which I thought was ironic with the tforce logo pasted over the whole screen at the only time you'd see that epa logo.
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If anyone knows how to hack bios - I have two identical releases for the geforce 6100-m7, one with the startup biostar logo and one without. In theory you could do a compare between the two and find out how to remove it for all Biostar bios.

Also note that pressing TAB during startup will immediately take down the logo and let you see the regular boot.

I also wish there was an option to pause after the post and/or temp/voltage diag before boot.

By the way if anyone has a geforce 6100, Biostar sent me a bios that is not posted on any of their sites, CR51MA18.BS (.BS = biostar logo .BF = no logo, fast boot?)

I've noticed no Tforce people have mentioned the special jumper that lets the ram receive the full 3.3 volts. That would be pretty insane on all but certain high end memory, right?
 
vibe said:
I've noticed no Tforce people have mentioned the special jumper that lets the ram receive the full 3.3 volts. That would be pretty insane on all but certain high end memory, right?
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Not anymore, really.

Heck - check out OCZ's site. A *LOT* of the ram on that site shows timings that only work at the "spec'd" voltage of 3.3v.
 
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=53864
http://www.geocities.com/grayfox4000/32-bit_347fsb.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/grayfox4000/64-bit_347fsb.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/grayfox4000/memory_bandwidth.jpg

Fear my OCing power! Ma hahahaha... with a cheap ass processor... O_____O Thats RIGHT! Better beleave it. BTW, to show what this mobo can do please read all the info on the page. You saw that right my htt is nearly 2800MT/s !!!STABLE!!!

My CPU maxes out not the mobo. These boards are better then ppl realize if they can use them right they are better then DFI boards. PPL your vince cores only go upto 300fsb or so they max out. Its a cpu limit not a mobo limit. My fsb is 347 on my cpu! And the htt for this board is higher then that. Look at mine scarry for a 754 to match a 939 I'll tell ya that much. I can pritty much match almost any athlon 64 with benchmarks like that upto a FX-53 almost a FX55. With the HTT I'm running it at a my OC makes a non OCed FX55 shivver.
 
Truly sick board for OC.

I was at 270 x 10 without even blinking an eye.

I have a question for the xtreme oc guys. When I'm at 270fsb my mem is running at about 198mhz which is ok i guess.

My mem is GEIL value 2 x 512. It will do a 220fsb when 1:1. but wont go higher. I have not yet switched the jumper on this mobo to put ram up to 3.2V so the highest I can put her with bios is 2.9v.

ALSO - I am not a gamer, but an audio guy so I am using the onboard video. Could the onboard video be preventing my RAM from going higher? I really dont wanna buy a PCI-E vid card, but if I can get a basic one for $40 that will enable me to OC my RAM, I will.

All in all - this board is truly sick. DFI eat your heart out. And I've been an ASUS man my whole life
 
Firelord said:
Right thanks for the screen shots :)

I'm now up at 265FSB (10 multi) and she seems stable at that (prime stable) with mem @ 220 2-5-2-2-1T 3.0v (best i've had it at!) and can run up to 269 easily enough. But anything at 270 or above is a no post.

Any suggestions?

EDIT: thats at 1.55v but even at a low multi I can't get a high FSB. Trieed a 133 divder too.

EDIT 2: Disabled the PMU and the frame buffer and in at 270FSB
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Humor me one more time... you lowered both the NB -> SB HT Speed & NB <- SB HT Speed to x3, right? http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1028591036&postcount=113

JimmyJamz said:
Could the onboard video be preventing my RAM from going higher?
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I believe so, but it's probably the mem. Try the 3.3v jumper and see if you get anywhere. If not, you don't lose much performance with a divider, so don't sweat it. You could also pick up a PCI video card for like $5 if all you are running is 2D or an X300SE PCI-E for $10. http://cgi.ebay.com/128MB-PCI-Expre...730018753QQcategoryZ40158QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 
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Have you noticed that the Biostar software suites (fan control, OC util, etc) are not very accurate? In fact, my fan control does not work at all.

So... I have not set the jumper yet. Set mem to 2.9v in bios, mult of x10 and fsb of 220. So cpu is running at 2.2ghz and mem is at 220mhz which is still great.

I can go up to 270 on the FSB, but the mem only goes to 198mhz or so.

Whats amazing about this is that my cpu fan, STOCK amd fan mind you is spinning at 1100rpm, my power supply is an enermax whisper which is dead quiet. You cannot even HEAR this rig, and the cpu idles at 34 degrees. Amazing. Truly amazing.
 
Firelord said:
Right thanks for the screen shots :)


EDIT: thats at 1.55v but even at a low multi I can't get a high FSB. Trieed a 133 divder too.

EDIT 2: Disabled the PMU and the frame buffer and in at 270FSB
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What is the PMU? And I assume the frame buffer is the amount of memory that gets dedicated to video? Mine is at 64MB right now. I think I'm going to have to buy a PCI-E card here pretty soon. The onboard video is more than fine, but I dont like the fact that it is stealing from my system memory. I thought I read somehwere that the onboard video on this deck had its own dedicated memory.
 
So whats the verdict on the best BIOS? M20 from bioster or B02 or B02-1 from you guys?
 
This is direct link for proper area for the 6100-939 deck:

http://www.biostar.com.tw/t-series/download/download_utility.php

I'm currently at 225 x 10. My memory is 1:1 so it is also at 225Mhz. My DRAM voltage is 2.9V in bios (have not messed with that jumper yet). Timings are 2.5 4 4 8. CPU core is 1.360V. I'm running stock AMD fan at 900RPM, and the fugger is 32 degrees and I cant even tell if the rig is on because its so quiet.

Sick.

Going to slowly start going up. All I can say is, this board being $75 bucks, I pity the foo'z who dropped $200 on the DFI LanParty stuff. Silly.

BTW - Other than CPU-Z what is another app that will honestly report voltages, speeds, temps, etc etc?
 
The onboard video is not limiting anything its your memory. I'm going to get some G-still ram soon some scarry DDR600 for this baby of mine. The video uses all on your system memory. The better your memory is the better your video will play. I can bench 8000 score on 3dmark 2001 and get nearly 200fps from it with my OC on those low end games. The onboard video can be pritty damn good. If I had some faster higher performance ram. Get some DDR600 at 2-2-2-5-T1 timmings I hear they can run at. Super fast and crazy bandwidth. My system aready has enough as it is. Would be great to have some nicer bandwidth with that G-skill. 8000mb/s will be great for games. If I could only atleast run 3Dmark2005 on 15fps I would be happy. Need to get a video card. This is one of the best gpu's onboard besides the 6150... I think biostar tweeked their chipset up.

Anybody use active armor on this? Its not worth it but I'm curious if anybody has it. I didn't know that this 6100 used pure video until I saw a review on biostar. Does it have HD video as well? Wish a Tforce6150 would come out sometime in the future. Anybody out there requested any OCing features to biostar like more memory deviders, chipset voltage control like it has in the manual... mhz control on the onboard gpu? If we request these things they will put them in the next bios update. Does the htt 5x control work for anybody? Mine can't post on 5x but mine runs perfect on this oc at 4x. Must be a bios issue that the 5x htt won't work but it can run at the speed normaly. If it didn't I couldn't post at a htt like that. lol I like it that biostar kicked DFI's ass.

What other OCing features would you all want to see?
 
Dillusion said:
So whats the verdict on the best BIOS? M20 from bioster or B02 or B02-1 from you guys?
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B02-1? Another bios is out aready? I have B02... for a 754 board. What does B02-1 have in it? o_O B02 has newer OCing features and issue fixes. Full Vcore voltage control, full memory timming settings, Vcore volts go upto 1.8v now. Htt and memory over 230fsb has been fixed. I want more memory deviders, chipset voltage control and gpu mhz control OCing. That would be cool if enough ppl requested some more features. I hope B02-1 or newer bios have features like that.
 
I have 260x10 extremely stable on my new tforce6100-939 + 3800 x2
Very happy for the total cost ($75+$275)

Full story with screenshots here if anyone cares:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=982958

I wish someone would hack back in the chipset voltage that existed in the very first bios.

Since I now have an investment in both a geforce 6100-m7 & tforce 6100-939
I thought I'd post this little chart of all the bios I have collected in case it helps someone down the road:

bios code: C51MCP51-6A61HB09C-00 (nvidia codename is crush51 = C51)
name key: CR = 754pin CU = 939pin
last 4 is month/day where M=2005 0-9,A-C=month xx=day
BS = boot standard? BF = boot fast (no logo) BST = boot standard tforce

translated fix description where possible

geforce 6100 754pin (6100-M7)
09/20/2005 GeForce 6100-M7 CR51M920.BS
09/20/2005 GeForce 6100-M7 CR51M920.BF
10/18/2005 GeForce 6100-M7 CR51MA18.BS

geforce 6100 939pin (6100-M9)
09/20/2005 GeForce 6100-M9 CU51M920.BF
09/20/2005 GeForce 6100-M9 CU51M920.BS
10/21/2005 GeForce 6100-M9 CU51MA21.BF
10/21/2005 GeForce 6100-M9 CU51MA21.BS

tforce 6100 754pin (6100)
09/08/2005 TForce 6100 CR51M909.BST
10/06/2005 TForce 6100 CR51MA06.BST Support stabler ultra frequency BIOS
10/14/2005 TForce 6100 CR51MA14.BST solves SAMSUNG DDR and open machine question?
11/02/2005 TForce 6100 CR51MB02.BST

tforce 6100 939pin (6100-939)
09/20/2005 TForce 6100-939 CU51M920.BST solves compatible question which two memories exists?
10/12/2005 TForce 6100-939 CU51MA12.BST
10/20/2005 TForce 6100-939 CU51MA20.BST
11/02/2005 TForce 6100-939 CU51MB02.BST Supports function and so on CPU SMART FAN
 
vibe said:
I have 260x10 extremely stable on my new tforce6100-939 + 3800 x2
Very happy for the total cost ($75+$275)

Full story with screenshots here if anyone cares:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=982958

I wish someone would hack back in the chipset voltage that existed in the very first bios.

Since I now have an investment in both a geforce 6100-m7 & tforce 6100-939
I thought I'd post this little chart of all the bios I have collected in case it helps someone down the road:

bios code: C51MCP51-6A61HB09C-00 (nvidia codename is crush51 = C51)
name key: CR = 754pin CU = 939pin
last 4 is month/day where M=2005 0-9,A-C=month xx=day
BS = boot standard? BF = boot fast (no logo) BST = boot standard tforce

translated fix description where possible

geforce 6100 754pin (6100-M7)
09/20/2005 GeForce 6100-M7 CR51M920.BS
09/20/2005 GeForce 6100-M7 CR51M920.BF
10/18/2005 GeForce 6100-M7 CR51MA18.BS

geforce 6100 939pin (6100-M9)
09/20/2005 GeForce 6100-M9 CU51M920.BF
09/20/2005 GeForce 6100-M9 CU51M920.BS
10/21/2005 GeForce 6100-M9 CU51MA21.BF
10/21/2005 GeForce 6100-M9 CU51MA21.BS

tforce 6100 754pin (6100)
09/08/2005 TForce 6100 CR51M909.BST
10/06/2005 TForce 6100 CR51MA06.BST Support stabler ultra frequency BIOS
10/14/2005 TForce 6100 CR51MA14.BST solves SAMSUNG DDR and open machine question?
11/02/2005 TForce 6100 CR51MB02.BST

tforce 6100 939pin (6100-939)
09/20/2005 TForce 6100-939 CU51M920.BST solves compatible question which two memories exists?
10/12/2005 TForce 6100-939 CU51MA12.BST
10/20/2005 TForce 6100-939 CU51MA20.BST
11/02/2005 TForce 6100-939 CU51MB02.BST Supports function and so on CPU SMART FAN
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Chipset voltages in the 1st bios... for real. Did you ever use it. Did it just give you stability? Wonder why they took it out, you know? Kind of strange. Would have been nice to OC the htt more. Or atleast the gpu. Hope they put it back in there. Maybe it was just buggy or could fry the gpu. I don't think so.
 
Well, did some playing around last night.

First off, onboard video does NOT hold back overclocking. I went to my local walmart and bought a PCI GeForce FX 5500 OC card. MAN does that card suck! The onboard 6100 blows that thing OUT OF THE WATER (just based on Nvidia demos and such). Anyways the key to to OC on this board is to manually set the x10 2000Mhz option, HTT to x3, and mem divider to 133mhz. I thought it was the onboard video, but it certainly is NOT. I just was not setting my bios to the x10 2000Mhz setting. Thanks to whoever posted some bios screen shots in here.

PS - the NB / SB in bios, has anyone been able to set that to 16 up and 16 down? If I do, no post.. it has to remain at 8 up 8 down.

After doing that I am at 265 x 10 for 2.65Ghz cpu, my mem is 177Mhz T1 and super tight timiings. Super happy.

My question now is, it seems like venice core 1ghz fsb 3200+ a64's might have a peak limit of 170 for FSB?! How the eff are dudes getting 300mhz fsb's?

When i tried setting HTT to 2x or lowering to x9 1800mhz or x8 1600mhz, it would not post.

My memory IS ABLE to get up to DDR450 spec, because at 1:1 ratio I can do 225 x 10 and all is fine.

My mem is 2x512 Geil Value from newegg. I really dont think if I bought some DDR500 rated ram it is going to help me get past a 265fsb stable.

Thoughts??

Sorry for long rambling post, but this is the only little cyberspace nook where people are talking about this 6100-939!!
 
So is the B02 bios for the S754 board only? And is there no definitive answer on a BIOS? Will M20 and B02 give me the same result?
 
Yeah, lets try to avoid confusing on bios between 754 and 939 boards. I'm using the 939 board with the latest bios 11/02 from here:

http://biostar-usa.com/mbdownloads.asp?model=tforce+6100-939

Here's where I'm at a bit of a loss. First off, I am at 265FSB x10 with an x5 HTT and a memory divider of 133 which actually yields 176mhz.

So whats weird is, this geil value 2x512 will run perfectly at ddr450 spec. If i run an fsb of 225 and keep a 1:1, the mem runs perfect. But if I set it to a 166 divider, no dice really.. 133 lets me get up to 265 on fsb with an htt of x4.

I'm trying to find out what it is that is holding me back. I idle at about 40c with my most stable oc settings (265x10). Do I need to get a super burly hsf? I do NOT want to water cool. Would that Big Typhoon be a good unit to go with? Is it capable of spinning some wicked ass RPM or does it try to be "silent" and max at 2k rpm or so?
 
Ive done that bro.. does not boot. I've tried putting memory to 100 no dice.

htt of x3 nada... i've had success with the x9 1800mhz setting but then i end up with a low Ghz rating in the end.

I really come from the school of wanting a 1:1 clock of mem and cpu. At that I am stuck with 225Mhz but it is rock solid stable and the timings are nice ont eh memory.

I've tried EVERYTHING to get past 270FSB, just can't do it. I tried a cheez ass PCI card too, and that did nothing. The onboard video will run fine.

I wont say im upset about anything... my sandra benchmarks have me smoking the FX-57 so that's all well and good..

I will have to fire an E to tech support and ask...my rig SHOULD boot with mem set to 100. It's odd that it just does not want to post when being gentle... super low mem/super low htt, etc etc....

I even tried a 250FSB x3 htt, 100mem, and x4 1800mhz setting .. would not post.
 
another thought.. COULD it be power supply? im using an enermax 365w vpfc some shit.. its a 350w that was like 80 bones when i bought it.. its a good ps. i am using a 20 to 24 pin adapter...

im just trying to narrow the sh.it down. I NEED to hit 300 x 3... the stars will align at that time. im not a gamer btw, i just need pure ballz out raw math, number crunching/audio processing.
 
JimmyJamz said:
another thought.. COULD it be power supply? im using an enermax 365w vpfc some shit.. its a 350w that was like 80 bones when i bought it.. its a good ps. i am using a 20 to 24 pin adapter...

im just trying to narrow the sh.it down. I NEED to hit 300 x 3... the stars will align at that time. im not a gamer btw, i just need pure ballz out raw math, number crunching/audio processing.
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in that case, you should've gone with intel
 
Nah, I like AMD. I'd never go Intel, and I'd never go Mac.

I think I need to manually feed mem timings to my BIOS in order to leap past 270 which is where I am now.

I should take back "I am not a gamer". I love gaming, mostly on Xbox. But the box I'm oc'ing and building is an audio box so dual SLI and crazy game performance is not important nor necessary... I just want to hit 300fsb..
 
JimmyJamz said:
Nah, I like AMD. I'd never go Intel, and I'd never go Mac.

I think I need to manually feed mem timings to my BIOS in order to leap past 270 which is where I am now.

I should take back "I am not a gamer". I love gaming, mostly on Xbox. But the box I'm oc'ing and building is an audio box so dual SLI and crazy game performance is not important nor necessary... I just want to hit 300fsb..
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Have you ever consittered your timmings are still too fast. Use timmings like this to get the most stability. 3-7-7-7-T2. All mem timmings set at there slowest value. Then try to hit at a higher speed. No limit now if its your memory. It sounds crazy but when you get to the speed you want then slowly lower the timmings. But for now keep them that slow. Thats how I got here. =P

PS: Don't mess with ns timmings. Only the T-1 through T-24 settings above that. Every T setting you see change to the lowest like I said above.
 
Well... I've settled on 265FSB x 10, with an HTT of x4. Mem timings are stock and still quite fast. Machine hauls ass, solid as a rock and using onboard video!

Actually, this onboard video is quite good - i'm surprised. I downloaded the Quake 4 demo, and it plays at 800x600 in high mode quite well!

Question for you guys. My cpu/mobo/ram kick ass, and the machine hauls. If I were to buy a 256MB Geforce 6800GS, could I pop that bastard in here, and fire up some games at full blown ULTRA 1280x1024 and it should be completely smooth and perfect?!
 
JimmyJamz said:
Question for you guys. My cpu/mobo/ram kick ass, and the machine hauls. If I were to buy a 256MB Geforce 6800GS, could I pop that bastard in here, and fire up some games at full blown ULTRA 1280x1024 and it should be completely smooth and perfect?!
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That's a fairly modest resolution goal, so virtually any game will fit the bill.

Keep in mind, however, there are a couple bruisers out there. FEAR and Call of Duty 2 take the highest of the high end (dual 7800GTX-512mbs) to REALLY crank the details.

The 6800GS (when overclocked, as the card is basically built for that) is a HUGE step up from what you have now, though.

The question really comes down to disposable income vs how much time you game, though. If playing Quake 4 at 800x600 with 'high' mode on your current card has you gaming happy....then a 6800GS really isn't going to add THAT much. If you do not like that res, however, and want to crank up the anti-aliasing besides...well...there ya go....
 
Right now he said he is using onboard video from the mobo. He definently will want a card for his comp, as all his other specs are pretty nice. Im pretty sure the 6800gs will fit the bill and afaik it is the best price/perfomance card out. Then again im a nividiot.
 
Well. The onboard 6100 is snagging 128MB of my physical memory, so I'd like to reclaim that.

Also, to get some truly sick mem timings, I'm pretty sure I have to disable the onboard. I think I'll go ahead and order a $200 XFX 6800GS PCI-e card.

I just dont wanna be disappointed when I fire up Doom3, crank all shit to max, and have it be choppy.

Thanks.

PS - this mobo indeed rocks hard. $75 bucks?! Fuggiddaboudit.
 
Hey guys... If I got a 6800GS 256MB (probly going with the XFX brand from egg) what is the min. power supply I need for that?

Would my Enermax 365 Whisper (350W) be sufficient?
 
JimmyJamz said:
Well... I've settled on 265FSB x 10, with an HTT of x4. Mem timings are stock and still quite fast. Machine hauls ass, solid as a rock and using onboard video!

Actually, this onboard video is quite good - i'm surprised. I downloaded the Quake 4 demo, and it plays at 800x600 in high mode quite well!

Question for you guys. My cpu/mobo/ram kick ass, and the machine hauls. If I were to buy a 256MB Geforce 6800GS, could I pop that bastard in here, and fire up some games at full blown ULTRA 1280x1024 and it should be completely smooth and perfect?!
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You can get more out of everything even the onboard video if you can get higher of a OC. Maybe try lowering your multiplyer. Your HTT at x4 is fine. Look at how high I run mine. Get to 300FSB, make your mem timmings slower use 100fsb on your memory and see what you can get with your max speed without making too much heat. You want better video. Get to a higher OC and the onboard video will look much better and you will beable to do more. Then raise your memory and timmings and worry about it later. Memtest86 will be veryuseful to find your max memory speed and timmings stable when you get to the OC you want. It would save alot of money. You can match a high end graphics card depends how high you OC and how fast you make your memory and keep your htt up. Make sure you get a video card fan for that gpu. It will make your OC alot easyer. It gets hotter the more you OC because your OCing the onboard video as well. Its so well intigreated into the system you can use the htt to your advantage. You maybe limiting your OC if you don't try. Running your memory on stock maybe the prob for now. When you get upto as high as you want the point is you can raise it later.

You normaly never use the htt much unless high bandwidth and graphics are used on a graphics card. Normaly htt wouldn't matter but this board relys on it alot.On a benchmark I can get 8000 with 4x htt. When I lower it to 3x I lose more then 1000 points. Keep that htt at x4 as long as it never goes passed 2800MT/s or 1400HTT. I'm not sure what the boards limit is prob 1500HTT 3000MT/s but its OK to run it that hot if you have a video card fan on that GPU. The normal heatsink will not cut it.You'll prob never get that high cus you could get to 300 x4. Much lower then mine is. And I'm on a socket 754.

Edit: If you want a graphics card that will make a diff. Make sure you get one that is a factory OCed Geforce 6800GT atleast 1000mhz or a Geforce7800GT. The onboard video gets upto a Geforce 6600 noprob in a OC. So remember that you get a video card that will make a big diff. This onboard video can run doom 3 when OCed.
 
Anybody ever get the raid to work on this baby? After making a aray... I keep getting the blue screen of death after I enable raid and berly get into xp. Damn it, I want to use my SATA2 3.0Gb/s.

Any help?
 
JimmyJamz said:
Question for you guys. My cpu/mobo/ram kick ass, and the machine hauls. If I were to buy a 256MB Geforce 6800GS, could I pop that bastard in here, and fire up some games at full blown ULTRA 1280x1024 and it should be completely smooth and perfect?!
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Should do fine. :cool: That's at high quality and the difference is really non-existent: http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/X16_GS/flashers/quake4.jpg
 
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