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If the firewall companies can't bring something to the table that is better than what Microsoft has to offer out of the box, that's their problem. Microsoft are finally starting to do serious work in providing the tools neccessary to keep malware and such problems to a minimal and they get penalised for it.drizzt81 said:*sigh* It appears that the firewall software companies have bribed the EU. Why would one want to keep a monopolist in check?
I agree, completely. For the 90% or so computer users out there who don't understand security software, why not build it in to the OS? Those 90% are the ones most responsible for having zombie PCs and spreading e-mail viruses.The Donut said:Personally, if they want to include certain out-of-the-box software, all the power to them.
The problem is that software companies may have a better product, but due to the leverage that microsoft has over its OS, they may soon not have a market anymore. I do understand that many of you -for a good reason- say that microsoft ought to have more secure software. And while I applaud their efforts, let's not forget that they were found guilty of violating anti-trust regulations.The Donut said:If the firewall companies can't bring something to the table that is better than what Microsoft has to offer out of the box, that's their problem. Microsoft are finally starting to do serious work in providing the tools neccessary to keep malware and such problems to a minimal and they get penalised for it.
Personally, if they want to include certain out-of-the-box software, all the power to them.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the EU, nor am I disagreeing that Microsoft are completely innocent. Also I agree that some companies with better products won't see the light of day because users won't have the need to look elsewhere for said product.drizzt81 said:The problem is that software companies may have a better product, but due to the leverage that microsoft has over its OS, they may soon not have a market anymore. I do understand that many of you -for a good reason- say that microsoft ought to have more secure software. And while I applaud their efforts, let's not forget that they were found guilty of violating anti-trust regulations.
In the end, I have not made up my mind about whether and what amount of regulatory involvement I like when it comes to monopolists, however just like djnes cannot stand the mindless MS bashing I cannot stand the mindless EU bashing.
Which is the reason the DOJ launched an investigation against MS? But I see this thread going to the soapbox in no time, so I shall leave it now...Aelfgeft said:Welcome to the free market economy. Oh, that's right. Europe still uses the feudal system, with the EU playing the role of the fucking lords.
drizzt81 said:Which is the reason the DOJ launched an investigation against MS? But I see this thread going to the soapbox in no time, so I shall leave it now...
Aelfgeft said:...plus a little influence to help from socialist cretins.
drizzt81 said:Which is the reason the DOJ launched an investigation against MS? But I see this thread going to the soapbox in no time, so I shall leave it now...
MrGuvernment said:i say let MS take out these features, and then when people go crying that "MS isnt secure! i got hacked! i got viruses" point them to the EU government and ask them where their "3rd party" products are that were supposed to be used to stop this.....
Throw it back in their faces and make the EU government responsibile, since they after all were the ones to force out the products that could of prevented it from happening.
duby229 said:Or MS can simply do what everyone else has done from the beginning and make it easy to CHOOSE, whether there craptastic software gets installed in the first place.....
Nope that wont happen tho...
MrGuvernment said:you had PRO / Server / Advance server / datacenter, that is it, why do you need more?
dualblade said:lets call a spade a spade - it is either a monopolistic tendency, or it isn't. none of this apple can bundle what they want, windows users have to search the web. it's just penalizing microsoft for their success.
I counted something like over 60 different boxed versions. There are 8 main versions, x4 for licensing options for OEM, Retail, EDU, VLA. Then x2 for 32/64 bit versions. There are a few extra's as well as exceptions.Catweazle said:Care to list the 8 versions?
There are only four versions available for retail sale, and they're not too difficult to distinguish between.
Phoenix86 said:I counted something like over 60 different boxed versions. There are 8 main versions, x4 for licensing options for OEM, Retail, EDU, VLA. Then x2 for 32/64 bit versions. There are a few extra's as well as exceptions.
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MS should just pull out of the EU market. Don't sell Vista in the EU, see how long that lasts before they come back and say "you know what we really do what your products". MS wouldn't lose a single sell.
Phoenix86 said:I counted something like over 60 different boxed versions. There are 8 main versions, x4 for licensing options for OEM, Retail, EDU, VLA. Then x2 for 32/64 bit versions. There are a few extra's as well as exceptions.
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MS should just pull out of the EU market. Don't sell Vista in the EU, see how long that lasts before they come back and say "you know what we really do what your products". MS wouldn't lose a single sell.
nameless_centurian said:you are underestimating the resolve of a fairly capitalistic society.
remember, necessity is the mother of all invention.
whats funny about al gore saying he invented the internet isthe fact that he never said it. He said that he was behind bringing the internet public, and the media perverted that into the "now famous" quoteAelfgeft said:Don't think I excuse Clinton's government either. As far as I'm concerned, we were a socialist country for 8 years. It has spread. From the nation who brought you Al Gore, the inventor of a series of tubes! (It's not a big truck!)
Would you happen to have a link for this? That would be pretty cool if they did that...jkr266 said:last i had heard, 32 and 64bit versions will be included in the sme box, if not on the same disc(depending on how big the final version is).
It's been mentioned on many sites.Phoenix86 said:Would you happen to have a link for this? That would be pretty cool if they did that...
Microsoft is striving to ensure that the 64-bit version has driver support equal to the 32-bit version, and will be packaging both variants in the same box.
(Vista Starter edition doesn't come in a 64-bit flavor. Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, Enterprise and Ultimate do.)Almost all Windows Vista editions will be offered in both x86 (32-bit) and x64 (64-bit) versions, and these versions will ship in the same box.
...and I haven't been reading much.pxc said:
Kaos said:whats funny about al gore saying he invented the internet isthe fact that he never said it. He said that he was behind bringing the internet public, and the media perverted that into the "now famous" quote