Gaming Build Advice for a Friend (Budget ~$1200)

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Hey [H] build gurus... please work your magic!

I'm building a computer for a friend. I've done some reading up to prepare, now time to get specifics. On to the questions...

1) What will you be doing with this PC? Gaming? Photoshop? Web browsing? etc
Mainly general use and gaming. They have a couple laptops, so this is meant for gaming. While Starcraft 2 is driving the upgrade, we want it to have enough juice for modern FPS's as well (and for it to last a long time). He's currently running on an old Dell (I guess P4 era)
2) What's your budget? Are tax and shipping included?
$1000 - $1200ish with tax and shipping included. Could maybe push a little.
3) Where do you live?
Louisiana (no B&M Microcenter or Fry's nearby)
4) What exact parts do you need for that budget? CPU, RAM, case, etc. "Everything" is not a valid answer. Please list out all the parts you'll need.
Case, Motherboard, CPU, RAM, GPU, Power Supply, SSD, Storage Drive, Optical Drive
5) If reusing any parts, what parts will you be reusing? Please be especially specific about the power supply. List make and model.
He already has monitor, mouse, keyboard, and I think speakers
6) Will you be overclocking?
The answer is pretty much no. He wouldn't ever get into that, and as his support, I don't want to. Therefore no aftermarket cooling should be necessary.
7) What size monitor do you have and/or plan to have?
22" LCD that is 16x10
8) When do you plan on building/buying the PC?
Ordering parts this week
9) What features do you need in a motherboard? RAID? Firewire? Crossfire or SLI support? etc.
He's not [H] so no need for any SLI/Crossfire or RAID. Hopefully that allows a cheaper midrange board. I am looking for USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s. Consider this a one-shot build to last a while.
10) Do you already have a legit and reusable/transferable OS key/license? If so, what OS? 32bit or 64bit?
No, need a copy of Windows 7 x64 home


Also...

CASE

His wife insists he gets a computer that 'lays flat' for aesthetic reasons. Why it can't just be a tower hidden under the desk is beyond me... you know how women are. Anyway, we need room for a legitimate gaming GPU, so that leads me to an ATX case in a horizontal HTPC form. However, no actual HTPC functionality is needed. Any advice in this arena from an accessibility or buildability standpoint? These are some I dug up a while back, but I'd welcome other suggestions:

  • Lian Li PC-33B
  • Silverstone GD-05B
  • Silverstone GD-01
  • Silverstone LC-10
  • Silverstone LC-13
  • Silverstone LC-17
  • Silverstone LC-20
  • Zalman HD501

OTHER NOTES

  • MOBO/CPU - I would lean towards Intel, just because I'm familiar with it. Same goes for Gigabyte and Asus for the board. Like mentioned above, no OC or SLI/CF capability necessary. Something in the i7 range with 6GB of RAM would be nice, but I understand maybe going i5 to make room for other stuff.
  • Power Supply - Prefer a modular PSU for obvious reasons, Corsair perhaps?
  • Video Card - I'm thinking something on the level of a 5850 or GTX 460. He's generally not going to ever do any upgrades himself down the line.
  • Hard Drive - I want to bring him into the SSD world. If budget allows, a speedy 80GB would be good. Otherwise a 60GB at minimum. A 1TB storage drive would be plenty.
  • Will likely be ordering everything online, Amazon/Newegg etc. While I'm all about deals, in this case I want to avoid Mail-In-Rebates, unless a killer deal. I imagine the most price wiggle room comes in the case, CPU, and SSD. Hopefully this can be done.

Thanks guys. Very much appreciate the help - I'll try to quickly stay on top of replies. :)
 
subbed - I'm in the same boat for a friend, with the same general specs
 
If you are willing to push an extra $175 this would be my suggestion:

$484 - Intel i7 930 + Gigabyte X58A-UD3R Mobo

$135 - G.Skill DDR3-1333 6GB(3x2GB)

$290 - EVGA GTX 460 + Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

$145 - Corsair CMPSU-650TX 650W Psu + Samsung F3 1TB HDD

$70 - Cooler Master RC690 II

$22 - Samsung Black DVDRW

$220 - Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD
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Total: $1365

Changing to a cheaper SSD would definitely reduce the budget but I went ahead and added the best 80gb SSD for reference.
 
Here is a good place to start.

18 Lite On Optical
75 Samsung 1tb F3
100 G.Skill Eco 2x2gb 1600
90 Silverstone GD05b
355 xfx 5850 + xfx 650w modular PSU
335 i5-750 + OCZ Agility Series OCZSSD2-1AGT60G 2.5" 60GB
100 Win 7 Home Premium
110 GIGABYTE GA-H55M-USB3 LGA 1156 Intel H55 HDMI

Edit : Changed the win 7 + ssd combo & now at 1203 shipped


Edit: @Shadowssong That case wont do for the OP & when that is changed it will either get ALOT more expensive or the Mobo you have selected wont work
 
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Ah your right, I completely missed the whole case section of his post. Will change it after class, good catch.
 
If you are willing to push an extra $175 this would be my suggestion:

$484 - Intel i7 930 + Gigabyte X58A-UD3R Mobo

$135 - G.Skill DDR3-1333 6GB(3x2GB)

$290 - EVGA GTX 460 + Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

$145 - Corsair CMPSU-650TX 650W Psu + Samsung F3 1TB HDD

$70 - Cooler Master RC690 II

$22 - Samsung Black DVDRW

$220 - Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD
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Total: $1365

Changing to a cheaper SSD would definitely reduce the budget but I went ahead and added the best 80gb SSD for reference.

I'm wondering if going down to a 60gb OCZ drive or something would be worth it to spring for the i7 - X58 setup.

Here is a good place to start.

18 Lite On Optical
75 Samsung 1tb F3
100 G.Skill Eco 2x2gb 1600
90 Silverstone GD05b
355 xfx 5850 + xfx 650w modular PSU
335 i5-750 + OCZ Agility Series OCZSSD2-1AGT60G 2.5" 60GB
100 Win 7 Home Premium
110 GIGABYTE GA-H55M-USB3 LGA 1156 Intel H55 HDMI

Edit : Changed the win 7 + ssd combo & now at 1203 shipped


Edit: @Shadowssong That case wont do for the OP & when that is changed it will either get ALOT more expensive or the Mobo you have selected wont work

As I understand it, I shouldn't have to venture into mATX territory, right? So long as I stick to a true ATX case. Getting a smaller case would be desirable only if it could shrink in height - and I don't think that's possible given a full-size video card.


As a general question, what's a balanced setup that pairs up with a GTX460/5850 level card? Is the i7 930 overkill, condsidering no overclocking, or video encoding type stuff? I'm guessing an i5 wouldn't bottleneck that GPU at all.

Hmm, I might look at meshing these two lists together.
 
I'm wondering if going down to a 60gb OCZ drive or something would be worth it to spring for the i7 - X58 setup.
....
As a general question, what's a balanced setup that pairs up with a GTX460/5850 level card? Is the i7 930 overkill, condsidering no overclocking, or video encoding type stuff? I'm guessing an i5 wouldn't bottleneck that GPU at all.
For the usage scenario you've described, a Core i7 930 setup is not needed at all. The Core i5 750 will not be bottleneck for a HD 5870 let alone the GTX 460 or HD 5850. So yeah you'll be just fine with the Core i5 750 for a gaming PC.

As I understand it, I shouldn't have to venture into mATX territory, right? So long as I stick to a true ATX case. Getting a smaller case would be desirable only if it could shrink in height - and I don't think that's possible given a full-size video card.
Yeah, no need to go into mATX territory as you're looking for a decrease in height.
Hmm, I might look at meshing these two lists together.

Yeah mesh the two lists together and post it for us to see. There are good things about both builds.
 
Okay, this would be kind of a higher-end version (X58, i7, 6GB)

$484 - Intel i7 930 + Gigabyte X58A-UD3R Mobo

$135 - G.Skill DDR3-1333 6GB(3x2GB)

$290 - EVGA GTX 460 + Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

$145 - Corsair CMPSU-650TX 650W Psu + Samsung F3 1TB HDD ($135 AR)

$100 - Silverstone GD-05b

$18 - Lite-On Optical

$148 - OCZ Agility 2 60GB ($125 AR and BCB)
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Total: $1320 (or $1287 AR)


This could be the lower-end option (P55, i5, 4GB):

$300 - Intel i5 750 + Gigabyte GA-P55-US3B Mobo

$100 - G.Skill Eco 2x2gb 1600

$290 - EVGA GTX 460 + Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

$145 - Corsair CMPSU-650TX 650W Psu + Samsung F3 1TB HDD ($135 AR)

$100 - Silverstone GD-05b

$18 - Lite-On Optical

$148 - OCZ Agility 2 60GB ($125 AR and BCB)
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Total: $1101 (or $1068 AR)


With the cheaper option, I suppose I could put more money into either RAM or the SSD... or heck maybe even the video card. So if you imagine this guy will keep the computer for 4-5 years, where best to spring for?

And is there any sort of consensus about X58 vs P55 for a futureproofing standpoint? And are faster i5 chips or slower i7 chips worth looking into?

Hmm, I also just realized I'd have to step up to the UD4P or UD3 to get SATA 6gb/s. Ugh. Will the Agility or Agility 2 even max out SATA 3gb/s? Maybe what I should be asking for is the cheapest P55 or X58 models that include USB 3.0 and SATA 6gb/s. Seems like they all jump up to tricked out, multi-GPU boards though.
 
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Let's go with this. Under $1200 w/shipping. A Core i5-760 build

Intel Core i5-760 + Windows 7 Home Premium both for $299.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.437518.19-115-067

GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 + Coolermaster RC 690 both for $179.98 ($10 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.435345

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB + Corsair 650TX both for $144.98 ($10 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.431396

EVGA Geforce GTX 460 768MB for $199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130562

G. SKILL 4GB (2x2) DDR3 1333 for $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231190

Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SATA II for $219.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167023

Sony Optiarc 24X Sata DVD Burner for $19.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118039

Total: $1,154.90
Shipping: $11.92
Grand Total: $1,166.82
 
You missed the case there HG.
With the cheaper option, I suppose I could put more money into either RAM or the SSD... or heck maybe even the video card. So if you imagine this guy will keep the computer for 4-5 years, where best to spring for?
Stick with the GTX 460 for the GPU. Spending more money on faster parts on the theory that it'll last significantly longer is a folly IMO.

And is there any sort of consensus about X58 vs P55 for a futureproofing standpoint? And are faster i5 chips or slower i7 chips worth looking into?

Unfortunately both sockets looks to have limited lifespans in terms of CPU upgrades: Intel's socket LGA 2011 is due to replace the LGA 1366/X58 in the performance category in Q3 2011. Intel's socket LGA 1155 is due to replace LGA 1156 also around that time frame. For both sockets, no real worth while CPUs have been reported so far.
Hmm, I also just realized I'd have to step up to the UD4P or UD3 to get SATA 6gb/s. Ugh. Will the Agility or Agility 2 even max out SATA 3gb/s? Maybe what I should be asking for is the cheapest P55 or X58 models that include USB 3.0 and SATA 6gb/s. Seems like they all jump up to tricked out, multi-GPU boards though.
The Agility 2 won't max out on 3Gb/s IIRC. The Gigabyte X58A-UD3R and the Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3 are the cheapest quality mobos that have SATA 6Gb/s and USB 3.0 for X58 and P55 respectively.
 
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You missed the fact that the case has to be a horizontal style or HTPC style ATX case.

Though you could probably just lay down the RC-690.


Yeah no kidding, I should make him do that just to spite his wife :D Oh well, whatever gets him a permission slip, right?
 
I had a couple questions earlier on that may now get lost in the shuffle - any takers?

With the cheaper option, I suppose I could put more money into either RAM or the SSD... or heck maybe even the video card. So if you imagine this guy will keep the computer for 4-5 years, where best to spring for?

And is there any sort of consensus about X58 vs P55 for a futureproofing standpoint? And are faster i5 chips or slower i7 chips worth looking into?

Hmm, I also just realized I'd have to step up to the UD4P or UD3 to get SATA 6gb/s. Ugh. Will the Agility or Agility 2 even max out SATA 3gb/s? Maybe what I should be asking for is the cheapest P55 or X58 models that include USB 3.0 and SATA 6gb/s. Seems like they all jump up to tricked out, multi-GPU boards though.
 
Yeah no kidding, I should make him do that just to spite his wife :D Oh well, whatever gets him a permission slip, right?

Would she honestly know the difference? :D His build is almost exactly what I would go with. Although the samsung f3 can be bought for 65.00 @ MC online.
 
I had a couple questions earlier on that may now get lost in the shuffle - any takers?

I would pick up the p55 chipset myself simply because it will most likely remain the budget upgrade path. 2 new cpus out one is 210.00 for the 1156 socket. and 900.00 for the 1366. What I'm trying to say is you'll most likely get more bang for you buck in the 1156 and that they will likely produce cpus that way.

This is obviously just a guess based on what they've done so far.
 
Okay, meshing together all the suggestions. Here's where I'm at. Comments?

Intel Core i5-760 + Windows 7 Home Premium both for $299.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.437518.19-115-067

GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 $139 ($10 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.435345

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB + Corsair 650TX both for $144.98 ($10 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.431396

EVGA Geforce GTX 460 768MB for $199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130562

G. SKILL 4GB (2x2) DDR3 1333 for $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231190

Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SATA II for $219.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167023

Sony Optiarc 24X Sata DVD Burner for $19.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118039

Silverstone GD-05B $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163166

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Total: $1214


Now, I could sub the 80GB Intell SSD for the 60GB OCZ Vertex2 and save $72

That total would be $1142

If there are any other combos/deals I'm missing please share. Otherwise, everyone give a thumbs up?
 
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budget wise the 1156 build is going to be less because you can get a quad core for about a hundread bucks less then a 1366 & because it uses dual channel instead of tri channel so your looking at a 2x2gb kit instead of a 3x2gb kit.. Plus its a little easier to find a mATX board for it & the silverstone that seems to be your descision is a mATX case & will not fit the Gigabyte board that was lsited with the 1366 combo


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http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.435345[/url]

Silverstone GD-05B $100
/www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163166

Thats a negative...

Also.. compared to my 1st list I posted your staying pretty close on most items, except that you went for a bigger faster SSD & a Slower Video card.. As the SSD is pretty much going to be a boot drive and a few apps installed I would take the faster video card & slower SSD
 
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budget wise the 1156 build is going to be less because you can get a quad core for about a hundread bucks less then a 1366 & because it uses dual channel instead of tri channel so your looking at a 2x2gb kit instead of a 3x2gb kit.. Plus its a little easier to find a mATX board for it & the silverstone that seems to be your descision is a mATX case & will not fit the Gigabyte board that was lsited with the 1366 combo


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Thats a negative...

Also.. compared to my 1st list I posted your staying pretty close on most items, except that you went for a bigger faster SSD & a Slower Video card.. As the SSD is pretty much going to be a boot drive and a few apps installed I would take the faster video card & slower SSD

Ah crapola, good catch. You actually saw that in the beginning, thus the mATX board choice. Let me grab a different case.

And yeah, kinda came full circle with it. I was originally going to go 5850, but the GTX460 seems to run right with it (within a couple fps on benches). Would the 5850 really be worth that premium?
 
And yeah, kinda came full circle with it. I was originally going to go 5850, but the GTX460 seems to run right with it (within a couple fps on benches). Would the 5850 really be worth that premium?

The 5850 is more equivalent with a gtx 470 while the 460 is more equivalent to the 5830. As for them being within a few FPS of each other.. at this level of card even a 5870 or gtx480 are all within a few FPS of a 5830 or 460..

As for what is more important between the SSD & Video card. If it was going to be an SSD only system then that obviously would be. But when using a mechanical drive for storage in the same system the larger capacity isnt much of an advantage. If you want to stick to an intel SSD though you could also look at the x25v as the boot drive. Also keep in mind that when making the changed you also went to a non modular PSU. So you were technically dropping 2 parts to increase one.

& as for the case & mobo.. I wouldn't change the case, I would change the mobo instead. That mATX silverstone has plenty of room for these longer video cards so there is no real need for a full ATX case.. Not considering that I believe your going to be paying another premium for it.
 
The 5850 is more equivalent with a gtx 470 while the 460 is more equivalent to the 5830. As for them being within a few FPS of each other.. at this level of card even a 5870 or gtx480 are all within a few FPS of a 5830 or 460..

As for what is more important between the SSD & Video card. If it was going to be an SSD only system then that obviously would be. But when using a mechanical drive for storage in the same system the larger capacity isnt much of an advantage. If you want to stick to an intel SSD though you could also look at the x25v as the boot drive. Also keep in mind that when making the changed you also went to a non modular PSU. So you were technically dropping 2 parts to increase one.

& as for the case & mobo.. I wouldn't change the case, I would change the mobo instead. That mATX silverstone has plenty of room for these longer video cards so there is no real need for a full ATX case.. Not considering that I believe your going to be paying another premium for it.


Doesn't appear that any of the mATX cases have SATA 3.0. Maybe that isn't a huge deal... I just had it in my head that now is a good time to jump on board with those higher speed ports for the future.

Probably going to stick with ATX and pick out a different case. Like I mentioned before, since I can't reduce the height, I don't see a couple inches in length/width being a big deal. I'll talk to him briefly and see if he has any further appearance input for the case, but he didn't seem to care too much before (so long as it 'lays flat' :rolleyes: ).

Thanks for also catching the power supply thing. I need to be shopping the HX650, not TX650.

Also gonna stick with the 60GB OCZ drive as a happy medium.

I'll reassemble the list and post again later on. Thanks guys with the help so far.
 
Its actually not jsut a matter of width with most.. Here is a size comparison between the GDo5b & the LC10B which is the cheaped Silverstone ATX HTPC

GD05b
Height 5.91"
Width 17.32"
Depth 12.79"

LC10B
Height 6.7"
Width 16.9"
Depth 16.7"

at almost 17" deep you wont find many desk's that that fits well on as a desktop. Most people that want a desktop want it in a traditional spot under the monitor so what you end up with is about 5" less desk space.

On top of that the Sata 6gbps will be used in the future, But its not going to be mission critical for a couple years yet & the only devices that will be taking advantage of it any time soon are SSD's & it will be even longer before your going to want to have that SSD replaced. Plus if Sata 3 becomes a necessity before the owner is going to be replacing the board anyway there is always the easy add in of a sata controller card (newegg currently has them starting at about 30 bucks for sata 3)
 
Here is a good place to start.

18 Lite On Optical
75 Samsung 1tb F3
100 G.Skill Eco 2x2gb 1600
90 Silverstone GD05b
355 xfx 5850 + xfx 650w modular PSU
335 i5-750 + OCZ Agility Series OCZSSD2-1AGT60G 2.5" 60GB
100 Win 7 Home Premium
110 GIGABYTE GA-H55M-USB3 LGA 1156 Intel H55 HDMI

Edit : Changed the win 7 + ssd combo & now at 1203 shipped


Edit: @Shadowssong That case wont do for the OP & when that is changed it will either get ALOT more expensive or the Mobo you have selected wont work

After going over what OP was asking, I honestly think bastages build is the best way to go. I also was going to suggest an Intel X-25M 80GB drive but, at $220, it eats up some of the budget. Also, OP mentions that he won't be ugrading the video card anytime soon so.. the Radeon HD 5850 1GB would last you longer than the GTX 460 card which has only a 192 bit memory bus and 768MB of video ram. Bastages build just needed a lilttle fine tuning.

Intel Core i5-750 2.66ghz + OCZ Agility Series 60GB SSD both for $334.99 ($10 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.436373

MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit + GIGABYTE GA-H55M-USB3 LGA 1156 Intel H55 HDMI USB 3.0 both for $199.98 ($10 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.441471.13-128-429

XFX Radeon HD 5850 1GB + XFX 650X (modular psu) both for $354.98 ($20 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.449243

Silverstone Grandia GD05B for $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163166

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 for $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231190

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB for $74.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Sony Optiarc 24X Sata DVD Burner for $19.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118039

Total: $1,164.91
Shipping: $14.82
Grand Total: $1,179.73
 
After going over what OP was asking, I honestly think bastages build is the best way to go. I also was going to suggest an Intel X-25M 80GB drive but, at $220, it eats up some of the budget. Also, OP mentions that he won't be ugrading the video card anytime soon so.. the Radeon HD 5850 1GB would last you longer than the GTX 460 card which has only a 192 bit memory bus and 768MB of video ram. Bastages build just needed a lilttle fine tuning.

Intel Core i5-750 2.66ghz + OCZ Agility Series 60GB SSD both for $334.99 ($10 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.436373

MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit + GIGABYTE GA-H55M-USB3 LGA 1156 Intel H55 HDMI USB 3.0 both for $199.98 ($10 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.441471.13-128-429

XFX Radeon HD 5850 1GB + XFX 650X (modular psu) both for $354.98 ($20 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.449243

Silverstone Grandia GD05B for $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163166

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 for $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231190

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB for $74.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Sony Optiarc 24X Sata DVD Burner for $19.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118039

Total: $1,164.91
Shipping: $14.82
Grand Total: $1,179.73

And all of that fits comfortably (particularly the 5850)? I'm a little wary of assembling mATX, but it is cheaper while having a smaller footprint. I do sacrifice SATA 3 in the process. I'm still waiting to hear from him about the size issue.

I might still go with the Agility 2 at Meritline (they safe to order from?). Because it's only $14 more before rebate.

Working in a 5850 does appeal to me. In fact, that's the card I'm running in my rig, and so far it's been great.

One more thing - is there a quick way to find the newegg combo deals? or do you have to just pick an item and glance through the pairings for it?
 
And all of that fits comfortably (particularly the 5850)? I'm a little wary of assembling mATX, but it is cheaper while having a smaller footprint. I do sacrifice SATA 3 in the process. I'm still waiting to hear from him about the size issue.

I might still go with the Agility 2 at Meritline (they safe to order from?). Because it's only $14 more before rebate.

Working in a 5850 does appeal to me. In fact, that's the card I'm running in my rig, and so far it's been great.

One more thing - is there a quick way to find the newegg combo deals? or do you have to just pick an item and glance through the pairings for it?

There is nothing really difficult or challenging about working in a mATX.. if we were talking about mITX it would be a different story, But basically you have 3 less motherboard screw holes & everything else is the same size.. & Is loosing sata3 really a sacrifice.. Thats just a matter of future proofing a little bit, but as I pointed out above, if you need it controllers are cheap the 1st time he gets a device that can actually utilize sata 3

So is the overall cost 14 more, or jsut the drive. Because if its jsut the drive then thats really 29 more because you would loose that combo.

& For newegg combo's there is a combo section, but its crap as there is no good search. I always jsut start with a part I like & see what I can combo from there.

Edit: assumeing that the SSD was 14 more for the drive & would break the combo, newegg combo's the same drive for 20 more
 
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That Silverstone case should accomodate the Radeon HD 5850. It says: "11" expansion card capable HTPC" hehe. That XFX Radeon HD 5850 does not use the reference PCB which is shorter at 9.5" long. This one is a good 10-10.5" in length.
 
That Silverstone case should accomodate the Radeon HD 5850. It says: "11" expansion card capable HTPC" hehe. That XFX Radeon HD 5850 does not use the reference PCB which is shorter at 9.5" long. This one is a good 10-10.5" in length.

There is a newegg review that says its 10" long. That should still be fine the the above case, Just a little tighter.. Nice catch though I didn't realize it was longer.
 
You also want to take into account the fact that the pcie plugs are on the far end of the board not the top. If it is too tight in there you may not be able to plug it in lol.
 
There is nothing really difficult or challenging about working in a mATX.. if we were talking about mITX it would be a different story, But basically you have 3 less motherboard screw holes & everything else is the same size.. & Is loosing sata3 really a sacrifice.. Thats just a matter of future proofing a little bit, but as I pointed out above, if you need it controllers are cheap the 1st time he gets a device that can actually utilize sata 3

So is the overall cost 14 more, or jsut the drive. Because if its jsut the drive then thats really 29 more because you would loose that combo.

& For newegg combo's there is a combo section, but its crap as there is no good search. I always jsut start with a part I like & see what I can combo from there.

Edit: assumeing that the SSD was 14 more for the drive & would break the combo, newegg combo's the same drive for 20 more

That Silverstone case should accomodate the Radeon HD 5850. It says: "11" expansion card capable HTPC" hehe. That XFX Radeon HD 5850 does not use the reference PCB which is shorter at 9.5" long. This one is a good 10-10.5" in length.

There is a newegg review that says its 10" long. That should still be fine the the above case, Just a little tighter.. Nice catch though I didn't realize it was longer.

You also want to take into account the fact that the pcie plugs are on the far end of the board not the top. If it is too tight in there you may not be able to plug it in lol.

Hmm - see that's why I was worried about mATX... especially with a longer 5850.

Okay I talked to my buddy, he doesn't really have any concerns over fine-tuning the case size. I explained to him that it's basically a tower on its side and he was cool with it. It will indeed be on top of a desk (with monitor on top), but a fairly deep desk.

So thanks again all for your input and time. I'm feeling pretty good about this setup. Decided to spring a bit for the 760 vs 750, 5850 vs GTX 460, and Agility 2 vs Agility 1. While these are all marginal differences, the price increase was pretty minimal (with combos and rebates)

My only qualm is I've read up on the issue of the PCI-e sharing lanes with the SATA3/USB3 and how it throttles from 16x to 8x. Doesn't seem to be a problem running only one video card, but not sure of any way around it without jumping to a much more expensive board (or another brand).


Intel Core i5-760 + Windows 7 Home Premium both for $299.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.437518.19-115-067

GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 $139 ($10 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.435345

XFX Radeon HD 5850 1GB + XFX 650X (modular psu) both for $354.98 ($20 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.449243

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 for $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231190

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB for $74.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Sony Optiarc 24X Sata DVD Burner for $19.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118039

OCZ Agility 2 60 GB $148
http://www.meritline.com/ocz-agilit...-mlc-internal-ssd---p-46601.aspx?source=s2010

Silverstone LC-10B-E $114 (incl +$10 shipping)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163118

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Total: $1248

If you count rebates (which I hate to do, consider them a bonus)

$1248 - $10(mobo) - $10(case) - $20(psu) - $20(ssd) = $1188



One last thing - any comments on that particular case (LC-10)? Specifically versus the LC-13, LC-17, and LC-20? I've read through the newegg reviews and they all seem pretty similar.
 
That case has less room for the video card then the mATX one did unless you pull the center drive cage.
 
That case has less room for the video card then the mATX one did unless you pull the center drive cage.

Yeah, I had figured that would be the situation with a lot of these. Not a big deal, and I can stash some extra wiring or the SSD there. Only running one 3.5" disk.

::sigh:: Then again, I could always go back to the mATX board and GD-05b

I noticed the pic on newegg isn't right. The XFX 5850, per the XFX site, looks much more like the reference setup and runs 9.5". Am I wrong here?

[Edit] Nevermind, I found the model on XFX's site with the oddball cooler. I guess it's a better design? Still listed at 9.5" though
 
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Okay guys thanks for sticking this long - I think you swayed me. mATX it is... $50+ wasn't worth it for SATA3 and extra pci ports. I did more reading up on the GD-05b and it just seems like a great case. Fairly quiet too (as much as can be with a 5850 lurking).

I'm calling it final, unless somebody can tell me I need to go with H55 vs H57. From what I've read they're about the same thing for my purposes.

So here it is:

Intel Core i5-760 + Windows 7 Home Premium both for $299.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.437518.19-115-067

Gigabyte GA-H57M-USB3 + Silverstone Grandia GD05B for $189.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.443085

XFX Radeon HD 5850 1GB + XFX 650X (modular psu) both for $354.98 ($20 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.449243

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 for $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231190

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB for $74.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Sony Optiarc 24X Sata DVD Burner for $19.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118039

OCZ Agility 2 60 GB $148
http://www.meritline.com/ocz-agilit...-mlc-internal-ssd---p-46601.aspx?source=s2010


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Total (with shipping): $1197 also $40 worth of rebates
 
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OK done deal, parts ordered as shown above. Included $65 worth of combo discounts and only 2 rebates x $20. Some Bing CashBack sprinkled in, if all goes well.

Also snagged Starcraft 2 for $45 and BC2 for $30. This guy is gonna be busy!

Wish me luck.... Thanks guys!! :D
 
Yeah, I had figured that would be the situation with a lot of these. Not a big deal, and I can stash some extra wiring or the SSD there. Only running one 3.5" disk.

::sigh:: Then again, I could always go back to the mATX board and GD-05b

I noticed the pic on newegg isn't right. The XFX 5850, per the XFX site, looks much more like the reference setup and runs 9.5". Am I wrong here?

[Edit] Nevermind, I found the model on XFX's site with the oddball cooler. I guess it's a better design? Still listed at 9.5" though

I Think it was a smart decision.. I Cant see it as being worth more then about 5 bucks to get usb 3 at this point since so little uses it & USB cards have ALWAYS been way cheap if it becomes a necessity later. & The case wont be any harder to work in then the ATX other then maybe having to connect the PCIe power cable to the video card before putting the video card in place (shouldn't have to, but it might make it easier) & with a modular PSU it really makes no difference which end you connect 1st.
 
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