IPS Monitor for graphics work under 600€

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olive

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Hello everyone,

I am a intermediate in graphic design (webdesign). But I am starting and learning dtp (print design). Currently I am riding on SyncMaster 226BW (TN panel :eek:)

I want to buy new monitor, technology IPS or S-PVA. I prefer EIZO, NEC, HP ... Size of display must be larger than 22" I think, that 24" would be great. 27" but i think they are too high priced. I want good gamut (might AdobeRGB), pivot, good stand ...

Whitch models would you recommend to me ? Price limit is about 600€ +/- 50 euros.

Thank you, sorry for my English :eek:
 
Wide gamut: Dell u2711 & enjoy high res display.
Native SRGB: HP ZR24W, Dell u2311at killer price.
Check reviews at Prad.de & tftcentral
 
drtc thanks :) I want to ask, sRGB can be good for print graphics ? with CMYK colors. Or i need widegamut ?

varzock thanks, but i have 2x higher budget, and i want buy 24-27" display : )


About 27 inch display. There is only two monitor, who I would buy (if i decide to 27" inch panel).

-DELL UltraSharp U2711
-FUJITSU P27T-6

I do not know, whitch is better. DELL is about 100 euro more expensive. Any conclusion, whitch would be better ?
I think, IPS>S-PVA but there is a EIZO 2433 S-PVA or NEC 2490 IPS. But i know, that IPS from NEC is older, and ADOBE RGB gamut is only 75%. Eizo have 92-96 (coverage/size) but it is a S-PVA panel. What would be better for me ?

Thanks a lot
 
If you can still find a first generation 2490 definitely go for it. It is native SRGB(a good thing) and sports polarizing filter that newer models do not have.
Between the Fujitsu & Dell 27 inchers, according to Prad review the Dell passes UGRA whereas the Fujitsu not. Have a look at the reviews and decide for yourself.
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2010/review-dell-u2711-part12.html#UGRA
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2011/test-fujitsu-p27t-6-ips-teil14.html#UGRA
There is always the NEC PA271 too but at much higher budget.
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2010/test-nec-pa271w-bk.html
 
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@drtc: If is NEC 2490 sRGB, it will be good for PRINT DESIGN ? Because, in print design, i need spectrum of colors CMYK (not only (s)RGB) AdobeRGB si for example larger gamut, than the CMYK. But I am at colormanagement benginer.

Can you tell me more about that filter ? What it's role ? How old is he ? (Because, i can view HP2475W whitch is too old - year of relese 2008)

I think, that DELL is better, but Fujitsu dropped price, DELL do not have PIVOT :( But i think, I can live whitout pivot :) (How old is he ?)

Yes, 27" would be a great opinion, but a very high price,

@NCX
Thanks, but same as on 2490 NEC, "only 75% AdobeRGB Gamut ... will be good for print" ? Somewhere i have read, that ZR24W do not have a good backlight homogenity :(

For 23" display is a really high price, what is difference between PA231W and EA232W ?

So golden mean whould be 24" inch (or more :))
23" is only -1" smaller that 24" it do not care me, but resolution 1920 in both is good, but 1080 vs 1200 is a differece.
 
@drtc: If is NEC 2490 sRGB, it will be good for PRINT DESIGN ? Because, in print design, i need spectrum of colors CMYK (not only (s)RGB) AdobeRGB si for example larger gamut, than the CMYK. But I am at colormanagement benginer.
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For Softproofing you should choose a display with extended color gamut. Otherwise there will be some undercoverages even regarding offset-printing without additional spot colors. Color management is mandatory.

Best regards

Denis
 
@Sailor_Moon: So do you recommend me display with AdobeRGB with 95% (or more) ? (or witch particular model ?) Thanks
 
drtc said:
If you can still find a first generation 2490 definitely go for it. It is native SRGB(a good thing) and sports polarizing filter that newer models do not have.
Between the Fujitsu & Dell 27 inchers, according to Prad review the Dell passes UGRA whereas the Fujitsu not. Have a look at the reviews and decide for yourself.
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2010/review-dell-u2711-part12.html#UGRA
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2011/test-fujitsu-p27t-6-ips-teil14.html#UGRA
There is always the NEC PA271 too but at much higher budget.
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2010/test-nec-pa271w-bk.html
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Yes, true. Nowhere i found NEC MultiSync 2490WUXi. Only NEC MultiSync 2490WUXi2. Is there a big difference ? I know polarizer filter, if monitor have this filter - black si blacker ?

If i have Win 7 + Adobe RGB gamut, Can i have a normal colors (like in sRGB) or there I need colormanagement ?

Thanks
 
Have you tried lightly used? You can get a whole lot of monitor for not much when it has been used.
 
If i have Win 7 + Adobe RGB gamut, Can i have a normal colors (like in sRGB) or there I need colormanagement ?
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Yes you need color aware software. With disregard for your price limit and under consideration of your area of application I would recommend the NEC PA241W. It has also a flexible color space emulation which allows a correct representation of known content even in non color aware software. Due to automatic profile creation by MultiProfiler it could be used without colorimeter in case of need (although I would recommend it here too) - at least for first experiments.

Best regards

Denis
 
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@drtc: Yes, this is right. About 2475W from HP. Yes, it is a good monitor. I have currently testing it (I borrowed it for 2 weeks). And i found some negatives.

  • OSD menu - for me not organized
  • A lot of ports, but i think i buying something whitch i never use
  • Min brightnes about 100cd/m2
  • warmer
  • black is not blac :(

Price is good, but this is panel from 2007/2008 more than 4 years old.

@Sailor_Moon: Yes nice monitor, but i think, it is overfeatured. Yes, i love a features like birghtnes in osd in cd/m2 or good new software. But it is natural 10 bit panel, so if i want to use it for 1bilion colors i need Quadro graphics (i have gtx 560 from nVidia). Yes, there is a 14bit LUT table, but quality from DisplayPort is better.

Homogenty of brightnes for price 940€ is not good :mad:. Other things is good, but there are two big negatives. First price, second homogenity of brightnes (but still better than ther displays)

@sblantipodi: somewhere i found informations about prad.de in english. They priced some reviews, but prad.de in english is still "alive".

About 24" Displays - Conclusion:
DELL U2410 - high min. brightnes not buying
ASUS P246Q - high min. brightnes not buying
NEC PA241W - cost too much money not buying
HP 2475W - too old, and some negative (see abobe) not buying
FUJITSU P24W-6 -UGRA fail not buying

NEC 2490WUXi -GOOD, but it was replaced with second generation.not buying

NEC 2490WUXi2 -GOOD, but it do not have AW-T polarizer for good black color.not buying
Both have only 75% Adobe RGB.

So, i think, noone is good for me. But i am thinking of buying 2490WUXi2 with NEC calorimeter. For price about 630 Euros.

And there is another way, buying PA231W. Price is in limit. What is the difference between NEC PA241W and NEC 231W ?

And what is difference between WUXi1 and WUXi2 ?

Thanks
 
But it is natural 10 bit panel, so if i want to use it for 1bilion colors i need Quadro graphics (i have gtx 560 from nVidia). Yes, there is a 14bit LUT table, but quality from DisplayPort is better.
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There's no problem in using it in a 8bit workflow (btw: It still features a 8bit panel with internal FRC). LUT and dithering stage prevent a loss of tonal values during hardware calibration or adjustments via OSD.

Homogenty of brightnes for price 940€ is not good
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I don't know if you mean the PA241W - if so: There are of course some deviations in series but with the homogeneity circuit (ColorComp) you will in most cases get a very uniform picture regarding brightness distribution and chroma deviations. Often a slight problem for current LG IPS screens without those functions.

Price is good, but this is panel from 2007/2008 more than 4 years old.
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Panel itself is still up-to-date. But it isn't coupled with an extensive electronic in this case. You can also not compare factory calibration with higher end models like the mentioned NEC PA.

And there is another way, buying PA231W. Price is in limit. What is the difference between NEC PA241W and NEC 231W ?
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The PA231W has not extended color gamut. Therefore I wouldn't use it for softproofing tasks.

And what is difference between WUXi1 and WUXi2 ?
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The kind of polarisation film. Both 2490 are screens without extended color gamut. Intersection with ISO Coated v2 (based on FOGRA39 characterization data) is about 90% (compared in Lab (D50) after calibration with D65 white).

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Best regards

Denis
 
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what about eizo s2433w?
Depending on where you live it could be also quite cheap and it seems that it passes ugra test with every settings you use. I have bought twoof this monitor and uniformity isn't a problem for this two monitors.

Nothing special like nec pa241w for softproofing but its cheaper and probably enough for starting.
 
Thanks for reply.
I dont know about eizo viewing angles and someone told me, that s-pva do not have crystal text as ips (from nec).

I made a conclusion and this is the table of conclusion. That do you thing ?
2l92v6w.jpg

source: prad.de, extrahardware.cz, dpreview.com

I dont know, whay is this table in terrible quality :( direct link: http://oi54.tinypic.com/2l92v6w.jpg

Thanks for reply
 
olive said:
Thanks for reply.
I dont know about eizo viewing angles and someone told me, that s-pva do not have crystal text as ips (from nec).
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Here there are too many expert who talk just for repeating what the other says :)

Really small text is obviously more sharp on PVA than IPS due to less aggressive AG coating.
When you see a PVA next to IPS there are many many considerations that you can do, there are many parameters on why you can prefer one tech over the other but there is an objective fact, PVA is sharper than IPS due to the AG coating.

Personally I had both U2410 from Dell and I sold it for a second S2433W, I'm not an expert but there is no need of expert eyes
to prefer a better monitor. As saied sharpness is one of the reason why I sold the U2410 for a second S2433W.

EDIT: My S2433W never gone below 94% coverage on AdobeRGB and can be calibrated to achieve 95% without problem by raising a bit the brightness >=130cd/m2.
 
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Olive, I'd focus on panel quality rather than other options like sd card etc...
As for the pivot function missing in the U2711: yes pivot is a nice feature, but are you going to be using it? and you can always attach it to a vesa stand and make it pivot, some have even done this with its own stand have a look at 3011 & 2711 threads.
Dell has some nice offers from time to time. And since you are in EU check out best price from any EU country webshop as warranty is valid. Here's Amazons price just over 600 FWIW:

http://www.amazon.de/Dell-U2711-widescreen-Monitor-Kontrastverh%C3%A4ltnis/dp/B0038JEINA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1305564274&sr=8-1

Last year I got the ZR24W from Germany for under 300 when it was still not available here in Greece. Had a panel replacement within one working day from local HP.

NEC PA series are awfully great have all pro features, colorcomp and what Dennis mentions.
If you can save money for it it'll be worth it.
But always bear in mind that a proper calibration using a colorimeter is necessary for any monitor.
 
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sblantipodi said:
EDIT: My S2433W never gone below 94% coverage on AdobeRGB and can be calibrated to achieve 95% without problem by raising a bit the brightness >=130cd/m2.
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sblantipodi, what is the minimum brightness on the Eizo where you can still achieve 94%? 130 cd/m2 is too bight if the monitor is to be used as part of a color managed, print output workflow. Values more on the order of paper white (~100 cd/m2) will match the print output closer to the display brightness.
 
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