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But but, how well does it clock?
Surely it has to be more % capable than the 480.
Lower power cards are dwarfed by the coolers, there could be a nice benefit.
Its nice to also have breathing room on the power rails.
I was honestly expecting better performance from the 1060 given how NVIDIA was accurate with their comparisons for the 1080 and 1070. Reading this review, I think you would be best served by a RX 480 8GB at the same price. DX12 and Vulkan are only going to be more widely utilized.
Ok it was fixed in the driver but as the card comes out of the box it can still wreck shit. And yes 35W difference could be a big deal for OEMs who a) want to use as small of a PSU as they can get away with and b) don't want components in their systems they know will run out of spec for fear of increasing warranty issues. It seems that as an OEM a 1060 is a no brainer over a 480.
Neat, 1060 wins! And yes it is fucking disturbing that AMD's power draw is such garbage that they needed a full die shrink to almost catch up to their competitors old cards.
I was honestly expecting better performance from the 1060 given how NVIDIA was accurate with their comparisons for the 1080 and 1070. Reading this review, I think you would be best served by a RX 480 8GB at the same price. DX12 and Vulkan are only going to be more widely utilized.
I was honestly expecting better performance from the 1060 given how NVIDIA was accurate with their comparisons for the 1080 and 1070. Reading this review, I think you would be best served by a RX 480 8GB at the same price. DX12 and Vulkan are only going to be more widely utilized.
Brent_Justice notes in his response to me above that it doesn't impact the gameplay experience.
This pricing bullshit needs to STOP.
Since FE cards are often times INFERIOR to AIB overclocked cards, the reviews should compare at the FE price.
At the time I post this (~2 hours after publication), there is NOT A SINGLE 1060 on newegg for <$300.
As the review conclusion shows, there were 3 cards out of 10 which were sold for MSRP.
Newegg likely had very little stock of those models. AIBs love the high pricing of the FE cards and the lowball MSRP because they know that consumers now expect to have to pay $50 more than MSRP to actually get their hands on a card.
Therefore, the review should consider the ACTUAL PRICES OF CARDS IN STOCK and ignore the fucking $249 MSRP.
Name ONE retail item which is priced ABOVE MSRP. Retailers have sales to DISCOUNT below MSRP.
They don't price cars at 20% ABOVE MSRP because they added rims to the car.
That 1060 - 192 bit memory bus at 1440P is what scares me the most vs the 480.
That 1060 - 192 bit memory bus at 1440P is what scares me the most vs the 480.
That 1060 - 192 bit memory bus at 1440P is what scares me the most vs the 480.
I would buy a used 980tiI wouldn't buy either of them for 1440p.
On the plus side, NVIDIA's memory compression is very good.
I agree this is most likely for the FE.You would need to average the clock speed over the runs, then compare that to ~2050mhz most cards appears to be capable of ; if we assume 1800mhz "stock" with boost 3.0 on average for an FE, then 2050mhz is 14%
I wasn't talking about regular users, I was talking about OEMs who are deciding if they want to order a million of these things to stick in pre-built systems. They have the choice between two cards, a red one, and a green one. Both the red one and the green one cost the same and perform about the same, the only difference is the red card uses more power and has a history of drawing power out of spec and rumors, substantiated or not, of damaging lower end motherboards with this out of spec power draw, the exact kind of motherboards you intend to use. The green card has zero down sides. Which part are you going to chose to buy a million of and sell for a tiny amount of profit in this commodity market? How much money are you willing to risk on the red card not increasing warranty repairs and how much extra money are you willing to invest in PSUs to power them? Zero, you're willing to pony up or risk zero dollars since you can just use the green card and have none of those problems. This is not a win for AMD.So a non-issue for regular users and a non-issue for all with improved non-reference models, got it.
It is consistently faster in canned benchmarks. It is not consistently faster than the 980 when you use the 1060 as you would use it in the real world.Well after reading the TPU review, I have now a much better perception of this card, it is consistently faster than the GTX 980, however I would still pick a RX 480 over the GTX 1060.. that's the good about having a larger suite of games for comparison instead of just 4...
benchgate, except I would rather people stop with all the -gate nonsense. D:cangate?
On a side note, very happy to see Nvidia backing away from the Founders Edition debacle. That really did piss off gamers. Huge miscalculation.
Uh, Doom requires 5GB or more to run nightmare settings regardless of resolution, and these cards are capable of powering Doom at 1080p with nightmare settings, and while it may just be the one game today, today is the day these cards are coming out, why would you limit yourself out of the gate not to mention a year or two from now?Based on these numbers, the 4GB RX-480 is clearly a better choice. You save a whopping 20% (fifty bucks) and get better performance. 1080p doesn't need 8GB and these aren't 1440p or certainly 4k cards.
Of course like they said in the review, what really matters is how overclocked AIB cards compare-- Pascal is one hell of an overclocker. I can easily see a solid 2Ghz 1060 smoking an overclocked 480.
On a side note, very happy to see Nvidia backing away from the Founders Edition debacle. That really did piss off gamers. Huge miscalculation.
The 980 Ti has 53% more transistors than the 980, with a comparable difference in TDP. Of course it's not going to get close to the same clock speeds of a smaller chip.I agree this is most likely for the FE.
There is a chance they could trump 2050MHz by a substantial margin with better coolers.
For example I had a GTX980 that went over 1600MHz witha monster cooler.
My following GTX980ti cannot make 1500MHz without a 1.25V bios mod and super high fan with the default EVGA ACX 2.0 cooler. It only did 1430MHz stable with the stock bios and acceptable sound level.
With an AC Xtreme IV cooler I got it to 1470MHz with the stock bios, but still nowhere near the GTX980 1600MHz.
Smaller cores can benefit more from large coolers.
Uh, Doom requires 5GB or more to run nightmare settings regardless of resolution, and these cards are capable of powering Doom at 1080p with nightmare settings, and while it may just be the one game today, today is the day these cards are coming out, why would you limit yourself out of the gate not to mention a year or two from now?
One game, and like many high-end toggles, nightmare settings aren't noticeably better looking unless you very closely scrutinize screenshots. Yes, maybe games coming out concurrently with the Xbone console refresh will use >4GB RAM under ultra settings at 1080p. But that's 2 years away, and we're talking about a $200 videocard here.Uh, Doom requires 5GB or more to run nightmare settings regardless of resolution, and these cards are capable of powering Doom at 1080p with nightmare settings, and while it may just be the one game today, today is the day these cards are coming out, why would you limit yourself out of the gate not to mention a year or two from now?
You're not wrong, but the performance delta between the two in DX11 titles is very small, and AMD is historically pretty good about squeezing additional performance out of their architectures over the life of the product. Given this, I would probably hedge my bets with an RX 480 over a 1060.You would need to average the clock speed over the runs, then compare that to ~2050mhz most cards appears to be capable of ; if we assume 1800mhz "stock" with boost 3.0 on average for an FE, then 2050mhz is 14%
Just because DOOM VK favors the 480 doesn't mean every VK game will... Same with DX12
I would keep in mind just how fast this GPU is running under gaming already. Well above its base clock. At 2GHz, you are only looking at a clock speed increase of 8.5%.Of course like they said in the review, what really matters is how overclocked AIB cards compare-- Pascal is one hell of an overclocker. I can easily see a solid 2Ghz 1060 smoking an overclocked 480.
I'm not everybody, but I did. 1 GTX 460 then 2 GTX 460 in SLI several months later when I scooped the second one up in a deal.I wonder what the percentage of people are in this world that actually follow that purchasing path.
So true. Them boost clocks. Though. Lol
Huh?
Did you see the prices of the AIB cards. Zotac is cheapest @ $280 so far.
I honestly feel like NV are biting themselves in the ass with the dvfs, there should be a set boost clock written on the box the card doesn't go above, then AIB factory OC and user OC does the rest. Else people complain about lack of OC headroom
So you are buying something with the idea that it can have a second card added to it for better performance, but never actually end up doing that? You are basically buying something based on potential but never utilize that potential? What's the point then?
Boggles the mind
I have a magic bean I'd like to sell you
I honestly feel like NV are biting themselves in the ass with the dvfs, there should be a set boost clock written on the box the card doesn't go above, then AIB factory OC and user OC does the rest. Else people complain about lack of OC headroom