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Thousand dollar video cards are fairly common.
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If people clamor for higher clocks, it will exceed the 300W limit on current PCI-E 2.0 cards hence saying 3 power connectors
Since the die size will be smaller it will consume less power, so there is some play to increase clocks, possible not as high as some are speculating but there is room and they can keep it in the gx260 sli power envolope which is very smiliar to the x2 power envolope.
I think during the time when the 8800GTX/Ultra released, games were ahead of GPU that guys/gals wants every fps they can get. So they were willing to pay more. These days, most GPU have the power to run most games at a decent frame rate, so paying more doesn't make much sense. If there is a great game that pushes the GPU to the max today, people will certain pay more to have the best fps.
I see no reason that Nvidia couldn't release a GX2 290 (55nm SLI-Sandwich). You could release one around 800$ watercooled. Assuming a 750mhz clock (water cooled EVGA has a water cooled 65nm on the market at about 700mhz assuming a mere 50mhz from the die shrink is reasonable) it would be easily 75% faster than a 4870x2 (92% faster assuming perfect scaling). Done from a shear preformance crown standpoint, there really isn't anything to stop Nvidia from doing it.
checking the rig sigs here and other places... i would say 1000$ video cards account for .01% of cards sold
You should go see some math classes if you would really think that a GX2 GTX 280 would be 75% better than a 4870X2.
If they release such a card, it would obviously be a low-volume product. Having the world's fastest videocard is good for PR and helps them sell more low-end and mid-range cards. That would be the only reason to release such a card.
Starting point, 4870x2 is 30% faster than GTX 280.
Assuming your shader limited,
GTX 280 is a 600Mhz card stock. There exsits a EVGA watercooled card at ~700mhz (692?697? somethign, don't care to look it up.)
Assuming a mere 50mhz from the die shrink. The 9800GTX to 9800GTX+ was something more like 60-75mhz iirc.
Lets start doing our math.
Our basic unit will be the GTX 280 = 1. As we previously stated the 4870x2 = 1.3. Accounting for the clock speed increase of a watercooled die shrink, 1*750/600, a single GTX290 watercooled card = 1.25. Putting two of them in SLI yields, 1.25*2 = 2.5. I will add in a SLI scaling factor later. Getting a ratio of a 4870x2 to the new watercooled GX2 290, 2.5/1.3 = 1.92, applying a 9% loss from SLI scaling (newer games we're seeing numebers near this) and you've got 1.92*.91=1.747.
So please tell me, where did my math fail? I tried to stay conservative on most of my numbers.
In what games do you see this easy 75% gain over 4870x2, Crysis? imo from what I've seen in most other games 4870x2 is usually on par with the 280 sli in terms of performance.
iirc, from the [H]ard review, in Crysis a single 280 was near a 4870x2. In AoC 4870x2 was 30% faster than a SINGLE 280. They are really the only games that challenge these cards. Looking at numbers over 100FPS doesn't mean much.
It may be the fastest card on earth, most exspensive card ever, hottest card ever, most power devouring card ever. And only person who will own one is Heartlesssun.
A lot of Heatlesssun bashing going on here! I happen to like him... why the hate?!
i dont think its hate...more like jealousy i know i am jealous and freely admit it
No, reread my post. Its basing on the idea that vengence threw out of a 750Mhz core clocked 55nm GT200 that somehow won't exceed actual physical and industry limits
But hey, keep up speculation without thinking about how they actually design cards, and why standarsd like TDP and stuff exist in the industry
Crysis is really the only game where the Geforce GTX 280 really shines compared to the 4870 X2. In Age of Conan the 4870 X2 manhandles the Geforce GTX 280. I actually play Age of Conan so the 4870 X2 is more compelling for me at present.
i think the profit margins on the 8800Ultra was much much higher than the alleged GTX280 GX2
Nv prices the GTX280 at 649.99. That what it wanted to sell it at... but ati has forced them to drop it down.
That would mean a gtx280 GX2 would cost 1200 bucks a pop. 800 may be too low an estimate.
I'll bet 4870x2 isn't stressed even by crysis until aa is cranked. Assuming ultra shitty crossfirex scaling nets you barely any gain whatsoever,
I'll bet once you crank up the aa up to 8x, one 4870x2 will be on par with a gtx 280 sli.
Until I can see 60FPS out of Crysis on the 4870 X2 at 2560x1600 with 4xAA and 16x AF at a minimum I'm going to say that Crysis stresses the 4870 X2 plenty. I've got dual Geforce GTX 280's in SLI and I can't do that. The Geforce GTX 280 grreatly outclasses the 4870 X2 in that one game. So if the Geforce GTX 280 SLI setup can't do that then there is no way a single 4870 X2 can.
The 8800Ultra cost that much, and they still accepted it
If its what I want and what I can afford at the time maybe.
Thanks, there seems to be a lot of hate going on towards people who spend money on their rigs.
I appreciated the honesty!
I've got to give it up to AMD, they really executed well this cycle. At the end of the day however, when talking about 4870x2 CF performance vs 3x SLI GTX 280 the only noticeable difference most of the time is price. I do wish that I had not bought this 790 motherboard and I would have dumped it except that its working so well for me that I'll worry about it when Nehalem has had a little field time. I'm probably not going to jump on Nehalem still spring next year unless its just all that and a can of Schiltz.
If nVidia makes this card with watercooler and insane price to get the performance crown, AMD's answer would be simple, watercooled HD4890 X2. Not that they would do it but they could if they want to. So saying that nVidia could create a watercooled card to win over the HD4870 X2 would be a moot point.
Until I can see 60FPS out of Crysis on the 4870 X2 at 2560x1600 with 4xAA and 16x AF at a minimum I'm going to say that Crysis stresses the 4870 X2 plenty. I've got dual Geforce GTX 280's in SLI and I can't do that. The Geforce GTX 280 grreatly outclasses the 4870 X2 in that one game. So if the Geforce GTX 280 SLI setup can't do that then there is no way a single 4870 X2 can.
If Crysis wasn't so biased towards nVidia cards, I wonder how the X2 would fare against the nVidia offerings in this instance.
Yeah, which is why i said, if it wasn't so biased towards card a, I'd like to see how card b would compete.
No, I'm pretty sure people aren't jealous and hate you that you spend money on a computer, it's because you're annoying and not as smart as you think you are. I think the best word to describe you would be "charlatan".
My fault, I went back and reread the [H]review once again and noticed the part where aa crushed both cards at 1920x1200. Sorry, sleep deprivation here
What really confuses me is that at 1920 with aa set to 0, the crossfirex setup averages 19.2 fps but once aa is cranked all the way up to 8x, the average fps goes up to 25.3?!?!
If nVidia makes this card with watercooler and insane price to get the performance crown, AMD's answer would be simple, watercooled HD4890 X2. Not that they would do it but they could if they want to. So saying that nVidia could create a watercooled card to win over the HD4870 X2 would be a moot point.