So new 8800gts > 8800gtx?

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I'm missing my 8800gtx, but am glad I sold it when I did.

Now I'm thinking about buying an 8800gt, but not sure how the 8800gts is going to be. :)
 
Spoudazo said:
No, the 8800gt is a new card.

Nvidia just enjoys confusing everyone I guess. :p
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There's a new GTS card coming out this December with more shaders (I think, same as GT) and 640MB memory.

So tech wise I think the new GTS > GT and most like the price too :p
 
Spoudazo said:
I'm missing my 8800gtx, but am glad I sold it when I did.

Now I'm thinking about buying an 8800gt, but not sure how the 8800gts is going to be. :)
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No, of course not. The new GTS will not be faster than a GTX. It will come closer than the old model of course, but still behind.
 
veritas7 said:
There's a new GTS card coming out this December with more shaders (I think, same as GT) and 640MB memory.

So tech wise I think the new GTS > GT and most like the price too :p
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Price should be the same as the current GTS 640 model i.e. $300-$350
 
Silus said:
No, of course not. The new GTS will not be faster than a GTX. It will come closer than the old model of course, but still behind.
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Yep, if it outperforms GTX by a margin, I bet there will be a GTX refresh coming out in early 08, quite stupid IMO. Why can't they just make a kickass G92 chip that is 40x faster than 8800Ultra? :rolleyes:
Seriously, I do not see anything good coming out of AMD's ass anytime soon, Nvidia might as well do it.
 
That would be great if it was G92 and 640MB. I think the 8800GT is hungry for memory bandwidth and a 320-bit bus would be nice to have again. But it sounds like it will be a 512mb card with a 256-bit bus.
 
veritas7 said:
There's a new GTS card coming out this December with more shaders (I think, same as GT) and 640MB memory.

So tech wise I think the new GTS > GT and most like the price too :p
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The new GTS card is going to have 512mb and 1gig respectively.

Silus said:
Price should be the same as the current GTS 640 model i.e. $300-$350
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Aren't current GTS models placed anywhere from $350 - $450?
 
aren't the specs 128 shaders and 650 mhz core clock? Pretty sure that's going to destroy an 8800 gtx.
 
Silus said:
No, of course not. The new GTS will not be faster than a GTX. It will come closer than the old model of course, but still behind.
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The 8800GT is almost the equal of the 8800GTX. The 8800GTS should be faster than the GT, so I don't understand how you can just flat out say that it won't be.
 
wopsang said:
It's a rumor that's floating around. Google "g92 GTS 1 gig" and you'll see what I'm saying.
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Still a rumour. GT is not as fast as the GTX, compare the two at demanding games + higher resolutions. Yes, @ 800x600 it will be as fast as GTX indeed. Just the fact that the memroy bus is 256 bit is telling me that it will not outperform GTX, if it does, sensless move by Nvidia.
 
It's not a senseless move if it out performed the GTX. Thanks to newer small tech, the GTS probably has a much better profit margin than producing the current GTX. They will phase out production of the GTX and use remaining unsold stock for refurbs and such.
 
eurin said:
It's not a senseless move if it out performed the GTX. Thanks to newer small tech, the GTS probably has a much better profit margin than producing the current GTX. They will phase out production of the GTX and use remaining unsold stock for refurbs and such.
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I really do not think it will be faster than GTX, if it will be, 5% at the very most. You can justify spending extra dough on a card that is 5% faster tops? That being said, I really do not think it will match GTX in any of the new games, it will come close IMO. Some folks feel the need to upgrade eve3ry 6 months, if nothing better is availiable they will simply lose cash and get a card that is on-par if not still better than what they have already had, that is why Gt's sell so well.

1gb version? lol, that could be true, but is most likely people speculating, hoping that it will be new king in town, funny, Nvidia only mentions 512mb of the new GTS :rolleyes:.

Honestly, time will show, really do not think that GTS will be something to drool over.
 
I just think they need to hurry up and release a card that can run Crysis in DX10 mode with all the eye candy at 1600x1200 and higher resolutions and deliver consistent playable frame rates and not charge $500 to $800 dollars for the card.
 
Here are the current models of the 8800's in order of performance:

8800GTS 320/640 w/ 96sp G80 gpu
8800GT 512 w/ 112sp G92 gpu
8800GTS 640 w/ 112sp G80 gpu
8800GTX w/128sp G80 gpu
8800Ultra w/128sp G80 gpu

Now the yet-to-be-released G92 8800GTS 512/1GB w/ 128sp is rumored to fall in somwhere between the G80 GTX & ULTRA models.
 
tuksonrider said:
Here are the current models of the 8800's in order of performance:

8800GTS 320/640 w/ 96sp G80 gpu
8800GT 512 w/ 112sp G92 gpu
8800GTS 640 w/ 112sp G80 gpu
8800GTX w/128sp G80 gpu
8800Ultra w/128sp G80 gpu

Now the yet-to-be-released G92 8800GTS 512/1GB w/ 128sp is rumored to fall in somwhere between the G80 GTX & ULTRA models.
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Why did you put the 8800GT below the GTS 640?
 
Which one are you refering to? There are TWO versions of the G80 8800GTS 640 available. One that is slower than the GT and one that is just a tiny bit faster.

The 96sp version and the 112sp version.

The 112sp version barely (and I mean barely) nudges out the 8800GT.
 
kumquat said:
The 8800GT is almost the equal of the 8800GTX. The 8800GTS should be faster than the GT, so I don't understand how you can just flat out say that it won't be.
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The 8800 GT is not almost equal to a GTX, when you go up in resolution. Up to 1600x1200, the GT trails the GTX by a small margin, but if you go over this resolution, the GTX is faster, while being able to have higher levels of AA, without such a big performance hit. Remember that the GTX has 128 Stream Processors, 768 MB and a 384 bit memory bus, while the GT has 112 SPs, 512 MB and a 256 bit memory interface.
The new GTS should be close to the GTX, since it shares the same 128 Stream Processors, but it uses a 256 bit memory bus, which will reveal its weakness at high resolutions, not to mention it only packs 512 MB of VRAM.
 
Silus said:
The 8800 GT is not almost equal to a GTX, when you go up in resolution. Up to 1600x1200, the GT trails the GTX by a small margin, but if you go over this resolution, the GTX is faster, while being able to have higher levels of AA, without such a big performance hit. Remember that the GTX has 128 Stream Processors, 768 MB and a 384 bit memory bus, while the GT has 112 SPs, 512 MB and a 256 bit memory interface.
The new GTS should be close to the GTX, since it shares the same 128 Stream Processors, but it uses a 256 bit memory bus, which will reveal its weakness at high resolutions, not to mention it only packs 512 MB of VRAM.
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Seriously, that is the whole point I was trying to make. People look at FPS, nothing else, not even settings.
 
Silus said:
The 8800 GT is not almost equal to a GTX, when you go up in resolution. Up to 1600x1200, the GT trails the GTX by a small margin, but if you go over this resolution, the GTX is faster, while being able to have higher levels of AA, without such a big performance hit. Remember that the GTX has 128 Stream Processors, 768 MB and a 384 bit memory bus, while the GT has 112 SPs, 512 MB and a 256 bit memory interface.
The new GTS should be close to the GTX, since it shares the same 128 Stream Processors, but it uses a 256 bit memory bus, which will reveal its weakness at high resolutions, not to mention it only packs 512 MB of VRAM.
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http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3140&p=9

If 5-15% slower - before overclocking - at 2560x1600 is not "almost" then, man.

You really need to review the benchmarks and quit looking at hardware stats.

Look at the [H] reviews:
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQxMCw0LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Same settings, same FPS in UT3.

Same resolution, same settings (except shadow quality and post processing) - GT has slight edge in FPS.

And look at all the other reviews. GTX does not beat the GT by more than 20% *ever* (and that's before the GT gets overclocked) at "really high" resolution. The margin is usually even smaller.
 
the new 8800GTS will not be a G92 but a revision of the G80 from what I have sourced
 
Mine ends the 8th. :(

Still, I have a GTS 320 and I can always step-up to a GT and sell it to get a G92 GTS..
 
The 8800gt is about on par with the 8800gtx, so how can the 8800gts be better than the 8800gt but less than the 8800gtx? :p
 
Spoudazo said:
The 8800gt is about on par with the 8800gtx, so how can the 8800gts be better than the 8800gt but less than the 8800gtx? :p
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Which 8800GTS 640 version are you talking about?

Are you talking about the G80 8800GTS 640 96sp version or the G80 8800GTS 640 112sp version that was relased about amonth ago?

The 96sp version is slower than the GT, and the 112sp version is a tiny bit faster than the GT.
 
112 version of course.

The 112 version isn't out yet, just an "overclocked" version of the 8800gts that people thought was the new one.
 
kumquat said:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3140&p=9

If 5-15% slower - before overclocking - at 2560x1600 is not "almost" then, man.

You really need to review the benchmarks and quit looking at hardware stats.

Look at the [H] reviews:
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQxMCw0LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Same settings, same FPS in UT3.

Same resolution, same settings (except shadow quality and post processing) - GT has slight edge in FPS.

And look at all the other reviews. GTX does not beat the GT by more than 20% *ever* (and that's before the GT gets overclocked) at "really high" resolution. The margin is usually even smaller.
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Not sure if you know, but Shadow quality and post processing effects add 10+ extra FPS in crysis. :rolleyes:
 
Of course.

I think it might be 5% faster on average than the old 8800GTX.
 
kumquat said:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3140&p=9

If 5-15% slower - before overclocking - at 2560x1600 is not "almost" then, man.

You really need to review the benchmarks and quit looking at hardware stats.

Look at the [H] reviews:
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQxMCw0LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Same settings, same FPS in UT3.

Same resolution, same settings (except shadow quality and post processing) - GT has slight edge in FPS.

And look at all the other reviews. GTX does not beat the GT by more than 20% *ever* (and that's before the GT gets overclocked) at "really high" resolution. The margin is usually even smaller.
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First of all, I don't just pay attention to the hardware specifications. That's especially true, when we compare hardware from different companies. But when two cards are based off the same chip i.e. G80, specs are important too, which is exactly the case.

Now on to your links:

Your [H] results show 2 (that's right, 2) 8800 GTs in SLI having the same performance as a single GTX @ 2560x1600.
All the other tests compare the GT with the GTS 640, GTS 320 and HD 2900 XT, which the GT obviously wins.

As for the Anandtech link, what are the settings being applied ? Where are AA results ? What's the performance hit with AA ? Still, the GTX is faster.

You should pay attention to how you read reviews. There's more to them than just FPS...

On topic, the new GTS will be very close to the GTX in performance, but @ very high resolutions, with various levels of AA, the GTX/Ultra will still be better, since the performance hit will not be as big.
 
http://www.hothardware.com/News/8800GTS_Revamp_Delayed/

"The new GeForce 8800GTS 512MB cards will replace the previous generation GeForce 8800GTS 640MB cards with a 65nm process GPU, supporting PCI Express 2.0, HDMI and PureVideo Gen2. The GPU will have 128 streaming processors, 970MHz GDDR3 memory frequency, 650MHz core frequency and a maximum TDP of 140W, according to the sources.
The report goes on to say that the price range of GeForce 8800 GTS 512 boards will be $299-349."
 
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