Sony Monitor

I was thinking about buying this monitor as well, but from what I've read it might have a weak backlight causing it to be dim. I even heard people talk about poor viewing angles on it, which I thought was strange since its a S-IPS panel. Also, its around 2 years old so its kinda getting outdated. But if what I read isn't true, I'd definitely buy it.
 
its very old. 2 or 3 years old, put it that way, its specs are subpar compared to others currently in the market. Look to samsung, viewsonic, apple, nec, acer for more up to date monitors.
 
In terms of pure image quality I prefer this 23" s-ips panel to the 24" s-pva from samsung. The brightness was more than enough for me, and there's just something about s-ips when it comes to colors and crispness that pva and tn panels seem to lack for me. However, I went through 2 HP L2335s and 2 Sonys when trying to get this panel.

I should've kept the first HP with only one stuck pixel and passable backlight bleed. The second HP had 2 stuck pixels and backlight bleed that was much worse. The Sonys had over 10 stuck pixels on one and 5 stuck on the second. But the real kicker was that the backlight bleeding was soooooo bad on the two Sonys that it made me wish for the HP again, lol. But they had so many bad pixels that they were probably just two really badly made monitors to begin with.

I ended up with a 2407wfp because it has no bleeding and no stuck or dead pixels (I only notice slight banding on very rare occasions so it doesn't bother me at all). My suggestion is to buy the sony from somewhere that accepts returns unless others here have better experiences with the backlight bleeding. The bleed was worse on mine than on any of the 2005fpws that I returned due to unacceptable bleeding. Personally I am waiting to see how the 24" NEC turns out later this year, but it's said to be 1400 so this is certainly much cheaper.
 
Tutelary said:
no, they dont, their specs are superior in every way.
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Sony SDM-P234 (Widescreen) has a 23 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM230W02) panel.
Apple M9178 (Widescreen) has a 23 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM230W02) panel.
ViewSonic VP231wb (Widescreen) has a 23 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM230W02) panel.

http://www.flatpanels.dk/panels.php
 
si0dine said:
Sony SDM-P234 (Widescreen) has a 23 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM230W02) panel.
Apple M9178 (Widescreen) has a 23 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM230W02) panel.
ViewSonic VP231wb (Widescreen) has a 23 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM230W02) panel.

http://www.flatpanels.dk/panels.php
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SONY SDM-P234/B Black (bezel) and Silver (back and stand) 23" 16ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 250 cd/m2 500:1 0.258mm

Apple 23inch - 400 cd/m2 , 700:1 , 14ms , .258
I'm not going to even bother running down the others. You're comparing a panel thats 2 or 3 years old to new product or product thats been through significant refreshes. Apple uses a backlight they source themselves for instance, which as you can see makes a significant difference.
 
Tutelary said:
SONY SDM-P234/B Black (bezel) and Silver (back and stand) 23" 16ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 250 cd/m2 500:1 0.258mm

Apple 23inch - 400 cd/m2 , 700:1 , 14ms , .258
I'm not going to even bother running down the others. You're comparing a panel thats 2 or 3 years old to new product or product thats been through significant refreshes. Apple uses a backlight they source themselves for instance, which as you can see makes a significant difference.
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Where did you read that?

This is what I read from various sites selling it (the apple site doesn't list the all specs for the 23")...

# Brightness (typical): 270 cd/m2
# Contrast ratio (typical): 400:1
# Response time (typical): 16 ms


http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp!!!!!!!froogle&pfp=froogle&product_code=314280&cm_ven=froogle&cm_cat=&cm_pla=&cm_ite=feed
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6757869&type=product&id=1087342444994&ref=06&loc=01
http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?sku=5138316&SourceID=k22350
http://www.abtelectronics.com/scripts/site/site_product.php3?source=froogle&id=18656
http://www.zzounds.com/item--APL23DISP

They are the same panel... The Apple may have a better backlight though, or Apple might have a different way of measuring their specs as there is no standard.
 
Tutelary said:
SONY SDM-P234/B Black (bezel) and Silver (back and stand) 23" 16ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 250 cd/m2 500:1 0.258mm

Apple 23inch - 400 cd/m2 , 700:1 , 14ms , .258
I'm not going to even bother running down the others. You're comparing a panel thats 2 or 3 years old to new product or product thats been through significant refreshes. Apple uses a backlight they source themselves for instance, which as you can see makes a significant difference.
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Well either way it wont matter very soon since Sony is no longer making LCD desktop monitors. If you plan on getting it you better do it soon.
 
si0dine said:
Where did you read that?

This is what I read from various sites selling it (the apple site doesn't list the all specs for the 23")...

# Brightness (typical): 270 cd/m2
# Contrast ratio (typical): 400:1
# Response time (typical): 16 ms


http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp!!!!!!!froogle&pfp=froogle&product_code=314280&cm_ven=froogle&cm_cat=&cm_pla=&cm_ite=feed
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6757869&type=product&id=1087342444994&ref=06&loc=01
http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?sku=5138316&SourceID=k22350
http://www.abtelectronics.com/scripts/site/site_product.php3?source=froogle&id=18656
http://www.zzounds.com/item--APL23DISP

They are the same panel... The Apple may have a better backlight though, or Apple might have a different way of measuring their specs as there is no standard.
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Apples specs are in the technical specifications section of the monitor page, lower right. They are what I quoted you. Look for the "technical specifications" link in blue.
Apple refreshed these monitors about 6 months ago. Again: Apple uses an entirely different backlight.

Id say more than individual panels theres something to be said for build quality.
the Dell 2407: (widescreen) has a 24 inch 6 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM240M2)
Dell uses Samsung panels, and assembles them horribly, and you end up with staggering backlight bleed as a result. Samsung's own monitors are not noted for this problem like Dells are.
 
if you want sony but wont mind going 19" the sdm-hs95p would be nice. Ive the the sdm-hs75p and i like it. Others might not like non adjustable height, no sound/usb ports/ other, or the glossy screen. I like mine alot but just wish they did a widescreen 21 inch version. if they did i;d buy it.
 
Tutelary said:
Apples specs are in the technical specifications section of the monitor page, lower right. They are what I quoted you. Look for the "technical specifications" link in blue.
Apple refreshed these monitors about 6 months ago. Again: Apple uses an entirely different backlight.

Id say more than individual panels theres something to be said for build quality.
the Dell 2407: (widescreen) has a 24 inch 6 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM240M2)
Dell uses Samsung panels, and assembles them horribly, and you end up with staggering backlight bleed as a result. Samsung's own monitors are not noted for this problem like Dells are.
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Apple refreshed these 1 month ago actually. Bumping the 20" and 24" from 400:1 to 700:1. Then the 20" was bumped from 250 cd/m2 to 300 cd/m2. And the 23" from 270 cd/m2 to 400 cd/m2.

As reported here http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/08/20060807151847.shtml
 
Tutelary said:
Apples specs are in the technical specifications section of the monitor page, lower right. They are what I quoted you. Look for the "technical specifications" link in blue.
Apple refreshed these monitors about 6 months ago. Again: Apple uses an entirely different backlight.

Id say more than individual panels theres something to be said for build quality.
the Dell 2407: (widescreen) has a 24 inch 6 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM240M2)
Dell uses Samsung panels, and assembles them horribly, and you end up with staggering backlight bleed as a result. Samsung's own monitors are not noted for this problem like Dells are.
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I have no backlight bleed on my 2407wfp. However, the backlight is brighter on the left than on the right, so it's not as uniform as it could be. This is not unique to the dell though. Every monitor that uses this panel (including the Eizo and Samsung) have the issue with backlight uniformity. Unfortunately it is a part of the design. It's also a problem with the Samsung 215tw, although that panel has backlight bleed to go with the uniformity issues.

In terms of uniformity I have found that the 23" s-ips is the better of the two. In terms of bleed the 24" s-pva panel is better. Pick your poison (atleast as far as backlights are concerned) :).
 
kmrivers said:
Apple refreshed these 1 month ago actually. Bumping the 20" and 24" from 400:1 to 700:1. Then the 20" was bumped from 250 cd/m2 to 300 cd/m2. And the 23" from 270 cd/m2 to 400 cd/m2.
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I wonder if Apple really did anything at all. I've read that Apple just matched Dell's numbers on the 30" since the panels were exactly the same and Dell was using bigger numbers in their specs.
 
syntax_terror said:
I wonder if Apple really did anything at all. I've read that Apple just matched Dell's numbers on the 30" since the panels were exactly the same and Dell was using bigger numbers in their specs.
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The 30" wasnt touched. Only the 20 and 23.

I know for sure the 23 got the new LG panel. I imagine the 20 saw a new panel as well. I am not sure on the history of the 30, but in the last updates the 30 stayed the same but saw a price drop.
 
kmrivers said:
The 30" wasnt touched. Only the 20 and 23.

I know for sure the 23 got the new LG panel. I imagine the 20 saw a new panel as well. I am not sure on the history of the 30, but in the last updates the 30 stayed the same but saw a price drop.
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The 30" version was refreshed earlier this year (Jan/Feb), here's a link to an article at ArsTechnica:
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2006/3/28/3369

It went from 270 cd/m2 to 400 cd/m2 and from 400:1 up to 700:1.
 
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