Student Loses US Extradition Battle Over Copyright Infringement

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I'll never understand stuff like this. I know he's just a kid but everyone knows the copyright cops are going to come after you if you do something like this, so why put yourself through the hassles for a few bucks?

District judge, Quentin Purdy, ruled that O'Dwyer should nonetheless face trial in the US. "There are said to be direct consequences of criminal activity by Richard O'Dwyer in the USA, albeit by him never leaving the north of England," Purdy said. "Such a state of affairs does not demand a trial here if the competent UK authorities decline to act, and does, in my judgment, permit one in the USA."
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That is ridiculous, so he is in his own home country and because the US claims he broke a law over here by hosting a website over there he gets extradited...
 
sc3252 said:
That is ridiculous, so he is in his own home country and because the US claims he broke a law over here by hosting a website over there he gets extradited...
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Playing Devil's advocate, if you allegedly committed a crime against Canada but lived in the U.S., how fast would you be turned over to stand trial?

BladeVenom said:
So UK residents have to obey American laws?
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Ummm, so Americans can (allegedly) commit crimes against other countries? Not sure what you are saying.
 
Damm, during its peak, the kid was banking $23k month from this :eek:

Looks like he's getting what he deserves.
 
BladeVenom said:
So UK residents have to obey American laws?
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The English should have a revolution against American Imperialism. Subject to American Law without Representation? I do say, how inappropriate. The Brits could even ask the French for help.
 
How did he committ a crime in the US? He had a website that had hyperlinks to other servers hosting the content. He didn't host any of the copyrighted material on his server. The only tie he had to the US is the .com domain.
 
Steve said:
Playing Devil's advocate, if you allegedly committed a crime against Canada but lived in the U.S., how fast would you be turned over to stand trial?



Ummm, so Americans can (allegedly) commit crimes against other countries? Not sure what you are saying.
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If something you've said offended Chinese censorship laws, should you be sent to China?
 
He stole from US companies. That's how he's getting a free trip to the US with the Marshals as an escort.
 
Extradition for piracy? Really?

This is exactly what America needs. More people in our prisons.
 
he didn't "Steal" anything.

he hosted a website with a .com with redirecting links to ALREADY pirated material. Only thing his site did really is make it easy to find pirated material.

should he be sent to the U.S. To face charges? NO. He did not break any UK laws, and is not a U.S.A. citizen.

honestly what he did is no worse than selling instructions on how to build/find something on ebay.
 
plunger said:
He stole from US companies. That's how he's getting a free trip to the US with the Marshals as an escort.
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Careful now. You'll get rabid [H]'ers trying to justifying piracy by saying copying is not the same as stealing.
 
Being a US resident, The US needs to stop thinking it owns the internet.

Nobody "owns" the internet. It is what it is. Leave it alone.
 
nissanztt90 said:
Careful now. He didnt steal, copy, or pirate anything.
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And that is where the real case is.

Overseas they are convicting people left and right for just posting links because he profited from them (exceedingly so). How many stories have I posted in the last year of people getting taken down for just posting links / not actually hosting?

The Google defense has been used many times and usually doesn't work.

My advice is, just don't do it man...just don't do it. The amount of money he will spend fighting this and the toll it takes on him and his family is far greater than anything he made of pirate links.
 
Steve said:
:rolleyes:

Do we have an extradition treaty with China? Might want to brush up on the subject before you speak up.
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:rolleyes: Semantics.

Ok, we do however have an extradition treaty with Thailand.

If you say something that offends the king of Thailand, in violation of Thai laws, should you be sent to Thailand to answer to their laws?
 
BladeVenom said:
:rolleyes: Semantics.

Ok, we do however have an extradition treaty with Thailand.

If you say something that offends the king of Thailand, in violation of Thai laws, should you be sent to Thailand to answer to their laws?
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How is suggesting a person be extradited to a communist country with which we have no extradition treaty "semantics?"


And to answer your question, if I was posting links on my website that broke copyright infringement laws in Thailand....YES....they would seek extradition and...YES... our courts would hand me over to stand trial. Where have you been for the last two decades?

I'm not saying it's right, I am saying it the law and the way shit works.

Again, you might want to brush up this a bit.
 
Steve said:
How is suggesting a person be extradited to a communist country with which we have no extradition treaty "semantics?"


And to answer your question, if I was posting links on my website that broke copyright infringement laws in Thailand....YES....they would seek extradition and...YES... our courts would hand me over to stand trial. Where have you been for the last two decades?

I'm not saying it's right, I am saying it the law and the way shit works.

Again, you might want to brush up this a bit.
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Still,

He possibly committed a crime in the UK. (it's not even given it's a crime there).

He didn't commit any crime in the U.S.

His server didn't reside in the U.S.

His site wasn't targeted towards U.S. users.

He never even set foot in the U.S.

He may have violated U.S. piracy laws, but he wasn't in the U.S. at the time.

That would be like being sent to the UK for trial for violating UK gun laws by firing your gun on your own property in the U.S. where it is perfectly legal.

This makes absolutely no sense. If the extradition law allows this to happen, all that means is that the extradition law is fundamentally flawed.
 
Zarathustra[H];1038260839 said:
Still,
He possibly committed a crime in the UK. (it's not even given it's a crime there).
He didn't commit any crime in the U.S.
His server didn't reside in the U.S.
His site wasn't targeted towards U.S. users.
He never even set foot in the U.S.
He may have violated U.S. piracy laws, but he wasn't in the U.S. at the time.
That would be like being ent to the UK for trial for violating UK gun laws by firing your gun on your own property in the U.S. where it is perfectly legal.
This makes absolutely no sense. If the extradition law allows this to happen, all that means is that the extradition law is fundamentally flawed.
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Well, the UK courts disagree and feel there is enough evidence to allow him to be extradited to the U.S.

In my opinion, if this kid was smart, he would have cut all the bullshit...jumped on a plane to the U.S. and meet his EFF / ACLU attorneys at the airport, fight the case and win or get his probation / fine. It has to be cheaper than spending years fighting a case like this / dragging your name through the mud.

Well, at least that's what I would do. I'd fight the case head on and let my lawyers beat them into dust. :D
 
Steve said:
Well, the UK courts disagree and feel there is enough evidence to allow him to be extradited to the U.S.

In my opinion, if this kid was smart, he would have cut all the bullshit...jumped on a plane to the U.S. and meet his EFF / ACLU attorneys at the airport, fight the case and win or get his probation / fine. It has to be cheaper than spending years fighting a case like this / dragging your name through the mud.

Well, at least that's what I would do. I'd fight the case head on and let my lawyers beat them into dust. :D
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But now he get's a free plane trip, lodging and meals. :)
 
Steve said:
And to answer your question, if I was posting links on my website that broke copyright infringement laws in Thailand....YES....they would seek extradition and...YES... our courts would hand me over to stand trial. Where have you been for the last two decades?

I'm not saying it's right, I am saying it the law and the way shit works.

Again, you might want to brush up this a bit.
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When has a US citizen ever been extradited to another country for violating another countries copyright laws while they were in the US? If this has been happening for decades you should have no problem finding me a link.
 
In July the agency's assistant deputy director told the Guardian that ICE would now actively pursue websites similar to TVShack even if their only connection to the US was a website address ending in .com or .net.

Such suffixes are routed through Verisign, an internet infrastructure company based in Virginia, which the agency believes is sufficient to seek a US prosecution.
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What the fuck? Not that I'm condoning what the student said but to think that the US can think like this is absolutely absurd.
 
Britains relationship with America....

Picking up the soap that the US dropped in the shower.
 
BladeVenom said:
When has a US citizen ever been extradited to another country for violating another countries copyright laws while they were in the US? If this has been happening for decades you should have no problem finding me a link.
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Do your own Googling. I realize from your posts that you do not understand the law but seriously man, do you really need other people to look shit up for you too?

And, just FYI, you should probably drop this subject and find another thread to post your "what-ifs" in. Seriously.
 
soulesschild said:
What the fuck? Not that I'm condoning what the student said but to think that the US can think like this is absolutely absurd.
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The patriot act allows them to do this, any .com/.net website or company that has a presence here and also in other country can have all their data examined and be prosecuted simply because the parent company resides in the US. Think your cloud data in a microsoft or google.co.uk server are safe? Nope.
 
forcefed said:
The patriot act allows them to do this, any .com/.net website or company that has a presence here and also in other country can have all their data examined and be prosecuted simply because the parent company resides in the US. Think your cloud data in a microsoft or google.co.uk server are safe? Nope.
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...what makes it worse is that the UK courts looked at it, said "okay" and agreed to let him be extradited. :(
 
I don't think he should have been extradited.

This is a waste of taxpayer money and resources to rip someone who isn't even a U.S. citizen from their country and bring them her to face "justice".

I see nothing wrong in what he did either, he didn't host any "piracy" or whatever content on his site, just links that would take you to those places that did.

This is all bogus.

So with SOPA, this will become much worse, all someone has to do is ALLEGE that you have copyright infringement content on your site, and you can have it taken down, confiscated, without any trial or due process.

So, it's possible if you host a very popular site that you could see it taken down under SOPA on the flimsiest of evidence, or no evidence at all.

What can you do about that? If SOPA passes, likely nothing until the damage has already been done.

This kid is just a drop in the bucket if you want to consider the big picture.
 
This boggles my mind, so some student kid in the UK didn't break any laws in his home country, but because his website on the internet pissed off some media shill in the US he gets to be sent here and we get to spend our tax dollars putting an innocent boy in prison to prop up a dinosaur industry?
 
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