Brent_Justice
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I really feel it should have been called the 7600 GS, that's my opinion. It isn't in the same caliber as the 7800 series performance wise.
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If you have a 9800 Pro/5950 or less, why would you spend $350 on this? $400 will get you a 7800GT and new PCI-E motherboard.
HammerSandwich said:Random comments:
- Card naming continues to get worse! The distinction between 6600 & 6800 is far clearer than between 7800 GS/GT/GTX. This card should be a 7600.
- Some idea of OCing's real-world boost would help the review. I understand why you don't show this, Kyle, but it would match your "we show actual gameplay results" approach.
- The comparison cards left a bit of a hole, IMO. If you showed a cheaper card smacking the 7800 GS around, EVERYONE would understand that PCIe is the way to go. I'd suggest an X800 GTO2.
- I'm still AGP with a 9800 Pro, and upgrade plans are on hold until M2 dual-core. When that comes, I'd like to spend $200ish on the vidcard. If I can't, I'll get a mobo with 6150-level video until I can. Expensive AGP cards are a joke in 2006, regardless of performance.
Really? Hmmm...jebo_4jc said:LOL. Maybe according to number sequence, but not in performance. This card is slower than an x850xt
jebo_4jc said:Another thought. Anybody heard of any of these unlocking pipes?
doormat said:I'd like to see min/avg/max framerates. I dont even need a graph.
And on the topic of the card, I'm wondering about the market for this card - I just spent $120 upgrading from a Ti4200 to a 6600GT (agp of course) and I was hesitant to spend that much because I plan on a big overhaul at the end of the year. I think if I were going to spend $$$ on a video card, I might as well just replace the whole shebang and get a new mobo, proc, RAM and video.
And its very annoying to see a $20-$50 price premium on AGP cards the past few months. I see deals for a cheap x800 or 6800GT and its PCI-E and not AGP.
forcefed said:Worst excuse i ever heard for not doing a full review, all other websites are doing full reviews with purty graphs. Telling me that this game is "playable" at this res with this feature on is only your opinion, some people might not think 30fps is playable and want 60fps. So your short little review doesnt tell those people much.
Even your x1600 review had more info, and that card is even more useless/slow then the 7800gs.
kuyaglen said:I would of like to see BF2 and CS:S over SS2. But in the end I got what I was looking for.
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It would of been a lot more usefull to have added direct comparison with the X850XT, also how loud is it? One would assume that it beeing based upon the G70 core that it would run cooler and thus be quieter.
madmat said:If I was in the market for a stripped to the bone, no charts, 1 page review I'd look somewhere else. That has to be the poorest showing I've EVER seen [H]ardOCP do for anything. I've seen editorials that were 3-4 pages long touching on simple subjects and yet for what's arguably the best AGP card to be released in living memory we get 1 page with a minimum of pics of the card and a couple of screen grabs. It looks like something cobbled together by a 16yr old in his parents basement.
DougLite said:Wow, it's a die shrunk 6800 Ultra with some GF7 features and a little faster memory. Boo, Hiss! If you already have a 6800GT+, or X800XT+, why would you buy this card?
If you have a 9800 Pro/5950 or less, why would you spend $350 on this? $400 will get you a 7800GT and new PCI-E motherboard.
This isn't salvation for AGP users, this is a stopgap
Brent_Justice said:I really feel it should have been called the 7600 GS, that's my opinion. It isn't in the same caliber as the 7800 series performance wise.
Brent_Justice said:I really feel it should have been called the 7600 GS, that's my opinion. It isn't in the same caliber as the 7800 series performance wise.
Servant of Shodan said:I like the short version review for a card like this that is little more than a *blah* version of the "new" GeForce. I also like the harsh intro. Tell it like it is brotha!
My only issue is that I would still like to see a few fps comparisons & graphs comparing identical settings. I know Kyle, Steve & Brent's argument that it is not truly apples-to-apples, and that overall acceptable experience is the bottom line -- and I mostly agree; but I would still like to see some raw, [H]ard numbers...probably something to do with my EE/CS background.
Finally, one of the questions we always hear is, "How does this card compare with a [insert older card name]?" Sometimes this will be something as absurd as an FX5700 or a Radeon 9250 compared to a 6800ultra, but sometimes it will be a top-of-the-line card from two generations ago. If somebody asks how a 7800GS AGP compares to a Radeon 9800xt or x800, it's a pretty reasonable question -- a gamer with a previous top end card is interested in a new top end card. I would like to see how a new video card compares to card of a similar caliber, but from a generation or two back. I think this would be especially helpful for reviews of new generation mid to low-end cards to see how they compare against the high-end cards of yesterday.
Having never conducted a video card review for publication myself, this might be asking for something that would take a ton of extra work. If so, please excuse my lack of knowledge, but I still think such comparisons would be very interesting and useful for folks around here.
If you are still gaming on a 9700/9800 or 5800/5900 series video card, and are dead set against upgrading your motherboard, there is no doubt that the BFGTech 7800 GS OC is going to give you tons more performance than you have now and bring you into playing the most popular games that are out today with tons of eye candy turned on. However, if you have any of the newer midrange video cards it is hard to sit here and tell you to spend $350 on a new video card that cannot be brought over to a newer motherboard. By buying a new AGP video card, you are locking yourself into an aging system platform for that much longer. If you currently have a 939-pin processor, I think it is feasible to suggest that you could more wisely spend your $350 on a new motherboard and a new video card to go in it. Those of you with socket 754 processors will obviously not be afforded that option unless you want to lock yourself into another socket 754 motherboard which could further obstruct your upgrade path.
Brent_Justice said:really? cause I really don't think it makes a big difference in SS2
sac_tagg said:Is the shrinkage in die size what allows you to achieve those ungodly overclocks? And why does performance go through the roof with even a medium overclock? This is the funniest scaling of performance/clock frequency I have ever seen...
DougLite said:Wow, it's a die shrunk 6800 Ultra with some GF7 features and a little faster memory. Boo, Hiss! If you already have a 6800GT+, or X800XT+, why would you buy this card?
If you have a 9800 Pro/5950 or less, why would you spend $350 on this? $400 will get you a 7800GT and new PCI-E motherboard.
This isn't salvation for AGP users, this is a stopgap
I'm not trying to start a x850xt vs 7800gs flamewar here, but I'm going by a legitimate x850 vs gs comparison I found here.
I'm an nVidia fanb0i, so don't get the wrong message. But please, for the love of all that is holy, don't reopen that can of worms!Frank DC said:Not to mention SM3.0 support which the X850 doesn't have.
forcefed said:A 6 page review would of been sufficient, an intro page, pic page, 3 pages of benchmarks and a overclocking/conclusion page. No need to go all out on a mid range product.
Hope you guys dont do this again because i really like your gameplay scores.
madmat said:I'm sorry if I seemed harsh in my criticism. I turn to [H]ardOCP for in depth hardware analysis that touches on all the pertinent factors but doesn't take up 25 pages to do so. Your videocard reviews are the only ones I sit and read through completely from page 1 to the conclusion. I just feel that your perfect balance of what matters and what doesn't was completely missed.
I've heard you say that the AGP 8X interface isn't being saturated, what better way to illustrate that fact than by clocking a 7800GT to 7800GS speeds, locking the pipelines down to 16P 6V and filling an nForce 3 Ultra board with the same CPU and ram as an nForce 4 board and seeing what impact the graphics interface has?
I know that the chipset would have a minor impact but that can be accounted for in an expected gain/loss, If that gain or loss is exceeded then that would show the impact given by the graphics interface.
Anyways, I'm sorry for the knee-jerk reaction but there's nothing I can do about it now.
redfoot12 said:I've been reading the pros and cons (mostly cons) for this graphics card on this board. I understand that Nvidia's offering a stripped down version of the GT/GTX but it offers me (a 9800 Pro, P4 3.4 GHz Northwood) a fine stopgap card for the next year. It performs at 6800 Ultra levels for $50-$100+ less than that card and I get some of the technical improvements over the X800/850 cards. It looks like there's even some built-in room to overclock for superior performance in some instances. If it looks like extra pipelines can be unlocked, then even more power to me. What looks like a ridiculous choice for some people is fine for me until I upgrade to AM2 mobos a year from now. I think this review was guided more by gut reaction than an objective attempt at surveying what will be a great solution for many AGPers out there.
If you are dead set on staying in the AGP era, the BFGTech 7800 GS OC will surely provide you with a fantastic gaming experience
Duuude, hammer it! My 3.2 hits 3.6 without even breaking a sweat, very nice performance increase.redfoot12 said:If I can grow some balls of my own (maybe the ones Nvidia clipped from the 7800 GS) this will force me to make that final leap into overclocking my stock 3.4 GHz to 3.7~3.8.
forcefed said:A 6 page review would of been sufficient, an intro page, pic page, 3 pages of benchmarks and a overclocking/conclusion page. No need to go all out on a mid range product.
IMHO, buy a used 850xt or 6800GT/U in the FS/FT forum for 1/2 the price of the 7800GS.sac_tagg said:Duuude, hammer it! My 3.2 hits 3.6 without even breaking a sweat, very nice performance increase.
Actually, this nice overclock is whats got me thinking about the 7800GS. I was running a pretty well-rounded system with a 2.8 P4, 1GB, 6800nu. I was able to swap for a 3.2 processor that with a lot of cooling, does 3.8 easy. I'm wondering with this new boost if I could breate one last breath of life into this system with a new video card.
headless said:I'd have to agree with those asking for graphs or FPS data. Subjective reviews are pointless; if i wanted one of those i could just wait for people to post in the forums "HAY GUYS THIS RAWKS" or "OMG I R HATE MY NEW CARD IT R SLOW" How anyone can say a card is worthless or not from some subjective "i had to change the res to make it playable!" like statements i just don't understand.