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Don't forget to run the monitor validator to check the deltaE on your colors. I have not been able to do better than .9.
I am running at 6500k, 100cd/m (or 110 still making up my mind), you will need the lower light level if you are going to be proofing prints.
I lowered all color guns down to mid 80's to start, and left contrast at 50. Raising all the way is something you do on CRT's. I am not convinced this works correctly on this flat panel. One things I did notice after all this is that the image is even more sharp - less pixel to pixel bloom? Perception? Hard to tell. But it looks better to me at this level.
In the end, brightness was around 1 or 2. Basically none.
I think this is the best you can expect from a PVA panel. Some colors are still very saturated ... their idea of 92% gamut? Not convinced yet.
My S-IPS 2007wfp will calibrat to .4 consistently. My Multisynch FP950 (this is a pro CRT) will calibrate to .32 (and it is't feeling well after 8 years of service).
I have not lowered the 2007wfp to 100 lumins to see how it looks.
That all said, the 2407wfp-hc did look very acceptable after all the calibration work. I agree that it is a good monitor for the size and price for non-critical color applications.
Hope my observations were helpful to others.
The PS3 looks awesome on this monitor. Colors are vibrant and I do not see any blur.
The only problem is the lack of an HDMI port but all you need is a cheap DVI female to HDMI male adaptor.
720p games like Resistance look great (using Aspect wide mode) and the 1080p standard DVD upscaling looks much better than expected. Of course, it does not look as good as a 1080p genuine movie but it is still satisfying.
PS2 games like God of War looks surprisingly good when upscaled to 1080p.
Unfortunately, PS3 720p games cannot be upscaled to 1080p with the current revision.
In sum, this is a very good monitor for the PS3. If only there could be a second DVI or an HDMI port!
BTW, the 480p Wii looks very average but this is not the monitor fault...
You mean 2007 or 2407?
I do see what you're talking about... and to a point I think it's a defect but I'm not entirely sure that this problem, or another as substantial, wouldn't be evident in other monitors. It's kind of a 6 of one half dozen of another situation we're in with 24" LCD's. I looked at the vid you posted and read the thread on the Dell site... I'm unsure as to whether this is fixable with firmware or a panel revision... but lets just hope that Dell will exchange if they fix the problem.
Total Price Shipped to my home: $434
Patience paid off on this campaign. To my knowledge, NOBODY has purchased this monitor for this price.![]()
Input lag is how long it takes for whatever image or action you take to show up on screen (i.e.moving the mouse) These LCDs have circuitry to process the incoming video signal before they display them, so takes a couple milliseconds to show up.
For this LCD, repoman0 - on this same thread just few pages back - posted some comparisons with a CRT that has low input lag:
Dell 2407 @ 60Hz vs. CRT @ 100Hz:
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031322619&postcount=225
redone with both at 60Hz to make it more realistic:
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031332698&postcount=262
It lags about 1.5 frames behind the CRT @ 60Hz which in my opinion is not that bad. Not noticeable to me for now, but mind you I haven't yet played games on it.
what are the S-IPS LCD monitor right now with 24"?
I'm assuming this one uses IPS panel?
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A0950280
If $$ not a problem, is this a good buy?
what are the S-IPS LCD monitor right now with 24"?
I'm assuming this one uses IPS panel?
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A0950280
If $$ not a problem, is this a good buy?
what are the S-IPS LCD monitor right now with 24"?
I'm assuming this one uses IPS panel?
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A0950280
If $$ not a problem, is this a good buy?
oh boy, I could buy two 2407s at that price and still have some pocket money left. I don't think the 2407 is half as good as that. But with time, say an year it might make sense to buy when that technology is more widespread. However, I have read ToastyX's review of the Planar 26", and I am really turned off of S-IPS. They have issues too, i.e. backlight bleed I couldn't live with. The NEC with the same panel seems to be implemented better, but again it costs a lot, and is not without it's own issues i.e more lag, visible horizontal lines. Here is the link to the Planar review for anyone interested.
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031231298&postcount=116
Let's face it, there is no perfect LCD that's good for everybody, even when you have a ton of money to throw around. At least not yet.
I don't think there is much debate that S-IPS is the superior panel to buy, but trust me there is no 24" panel out there that is under 1000... well none that I could find. I was looking mainly for the 600 to 700 price range, but any IPS that I found were around 1500 and up. For the price the 2407 isn't a bad monitor. It's not the best, but you want and LCD now, of this size then you're going to have make some sacrifices. Maybe in say 2 years or so IPS will be in the 600 dollar price range but not right now.
So if you've got the money, by all means. If you don't then I recommend the Dell or the BenQ.
And I don't think that IPS is disappearing... just in the market for those who can't tell the difference. NEC, Eizo, Planar, and many other professional grade monitors are IPS only and as long as they stay the same I don't think that IPS will disappear. And I'm sure that the price will drop over time... I hope.![]()
this is true. And I did consider going with the apple for some time, but the price is just a turn off. Apple has a habit of taking all the control away from the users and I've heard that if you want to calibrate this monitor off the factory defaults you're kinda shit out of luck. Either way it was too rich for my blood.
As for H-IPS, it's just a slightly different branding than S or A or whatever, all they stand for is Hyper, or Super, or Advanced, or supercalifragilistic or whatever. Like solidus2 said, there is no perfect LCD out there. We've got a few years to wait before they hit where CRT's were when it comes to price and quality... but I mean, they've only been around, as monitors and TV's, for like 7 to 10 years.
So if you really want IPS and don't have 900+ to spend, go with a 20" as spincut pointed out, you can get and NEC, or Dell 2007 (if you lucky enough to get and IPS panel in it) for around the same price which I believe is like 350 or so. Which isn't bad by any means.
I personally wanted a 24" cuz I like watching moives on my comp (since I don't have a TV) and I need the real estate.
Oh and to answer wernehawen's question. It sounds to me you just to calibrate your monitor. Good blacks and contrast levels are only achieved through calibration. The 2407 is typically bright out of the box. So mess around with some settings, there are some good sites linked earlier in this thread say page 14 or 15 I think check them out, should help you a bit. As for your colour banding, post a pic and we can tell you if it's "normal" hehe