I don't have much time for games any more but I am finding these to be pretty good. The thing I am most blown away with is the fact that I have such a great degree of freedom. I am finding the GTA IV multiplayer to be a huge breath of fresh air compared to the restrictive, tiny map based games that dominate PC gaming. Both of the online multiplayer in these games is outstanding. You can actual take your time, be stealthy, hide behind structures, etc.