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So, does this ATIs color saturation reduction slider work for games?
Want to know if your application is profile aware? Reference this page: http://www.color.org/version4html.xalter
I am briefly bringing this thread back from the tombstone to say that there may be a semblance of truth to this finally, or at least a very good imitation with my ATI card and Catalyst 9.6 drivers.
I've been playing around with CCC on my new build in XP, with no ICM profiles or semblance of color calibration tools installed and my wide gamut Dell 2709W, which for the moment, is paired up with the sRGB Dell 2209WA (ports 1 and 2 respectively)
Under Avivo Color > Color Temperature control I tried setting the "Use Extended Display Identification Data" on the 2209WA and didn't get any apparent effect, but when I checked it on the wide gamut 2709W, most of the over-saturation seemingly went away. Surprised by this I loaded up a picture with lots of primary colors up and noticed that both monitors were now strikingly similar. Playing with the switch on and off revealed that it truly was making a marked difference.
Having been tricked in the past by Vista and it's "color managed" windows picture viewer I stuck to XP which currently sees the monitors as "Plug and Play Monitor" , and so far all desktop wallpapers and photos look a lot more similar on the sRGB and Adobe RGB screens.
Anyway, I encourage anyone who has a recent ATI Catalyst revision on XP to try this out and let me know what you think. I am going to want to try and calibrate this (if I can), as some colors are still a bit wonky, such as the slightly burgundy reds, but the cartoonish look of wide gamut seems to be greatly reduced as soon as I click the button in CCC.
I can't say what will happen when I load up a color-managed program at this time, but I'm gonna dig into this a bit more and see what occurs.
I am briefly bringing this thread back from the tombstone to say that there may be a semblance of truth to this finally, or at least a very good imitation with my ATI card and Catalyst 9.6 drivers.
I've been playing around with CCC on my new build in XP, with no ICM profiles or semblance of color calibration tools installed and my wide gamut Dell 2709W, which for the moment, is paired up with the sRGB Dell 2209WA (ports 1 and 2 respectively)
Under Avivo Color > Color Temperature control I tried setting the "Use Extended Display Identification Data" on the 2209WA and didn't get any apparent effect, but when I checked it on the wide gamut 2709W, most of the over-saturation seemingly went away. Surprised by this I loaded up a picture with lots of primary colors up and noticed that both monitors were now strikingly similar. Playing with the switch on and off revealed that it truly was making a marked difference.
Having been tricked in the past by Vista and it's "color managed" windows picture viewer I stuck to XP which currently sees the monitors as "Plug and Play Monitor" , and so far all desktop wallpapers and photos look a lot more similar on the sRGB and Adobe RGB screens.
Anyway, I encourage anyone who has a recent ATI Catalyst revision on XP to try this out and let me know what you think. I am going to want to try and calibrate this (if I can), as some colors are still a bit wonky, such as the slightly burgundy reds, but the cartoonish look of wide gamut seems to be greatly reduced as soon as I click the button in CCC.
I can't say what will happen when I load up a color-managed program at this time, but I'm gonna dig into this a bit more and see what occurs.
And I don't have access to any wide-gamut display during the summer
Biges: You could send me your 2690 and I promise that I'll try it and report back
Atleast on my Vista rig enabling "Use Extended Display Identification Data" doesnt do anything for me, though I have saturation already reduced to 90% and monitor calibrated but still nothing seems to happen in the picture, but I have to test this out more. Just for clarification, when you disable the feature are you sure you have to slider below it set to 6500K?
It is a tempting offer, however I'm too lazy. That's also the reason I don't borrow an ATI card and install Vizda or Windoze 7
A quick report:
The solution 10e reported does not work for HP w2408h (wide gamut, 92% NTSC) because this particular monitor does not report color information in EDID (so there is no box to check in CCC).
Is there some specific reason why you made this conjecture? I am not aware of any difference between EDID-over-HDMI and EDID-over-DVI.I would theorize this is because it's an HDMI screen.
The solution 10e reported does not work for HP w2408h (wide gamut, 92% NTSC) because this particular monitor does not report color information in EDID (so there is no box to check in CCC).
You are right, and that is why I said that 10e's solution does not work for the w2408h. To get accurate colors in color-managed applications, I have to calibrate and profile the monitor with a hardware colorimeter (which I do).Hmm, but in that case even color-managed applications would not look correct(?) (How are you supposed to color-manage something if you don't know the gamut of the destination).
So are you guys saying you may have found a solution to the wide gamut problem through using newer ATI video cards/drivers that supposedly convert wide gamut to sRGB for everything including non-color aware apps and Windows???
If this is the case, then it would potentially cure all the headaches folks have been having trying to find a non-wide gamut display when all the companies are releasing uber wide gamut ones.
I am definitely subscribing to this thread. One of you ATI/Wide gamut display owners should call ATI and talk to a tech!
You are right, and that is why I said that 10e's solution does not work for the w2408h. To get accurate colors in color-managed applications, I have to calibrate and profile the monitor with a hardware colorimeter (which I do).
So are you guys saying you may have found a solution to the wide gamut problem through using newer ATI video cards/drivers that supposedly convert wide gamut to sRGB for everything including non-color aware apps and Windows???
If this is the case, then it would potentially cure all the headaches folks have been having trying to find a non-wide gamut display when all the companies are releasing uber wide gamut ones.
I am definitely subscribing to this thread. One of you ATI/Wide gamut display owners should call ATI and talk to a tech!
Hmm, but in that case even color-managed applications would not look correct(?) (How are you supposed to color-manage something if you don't know the gamut of the destination).
Is there some specific reason why you made this conjecture? I am not aware of any difference between EDID-over-HDMI and EDID-over-DVI.
Thanks for the update 10e! I have a 4870x2 myself now, but this option isn't available in Vista 64, so I haven't paid much attention to it. You and I can use a working sRGB preset as well for sRGB, so its not that crucial. For others with wide gamut and who wants to game, it might be worthwhile if it actually converts "on the fly".
Albovin, I don't understand why you need a DeltaE of 0.5 or less? Its excessive even for softproofing on professional level. DeltaE below 1 is nearly impossible to see with normal eyesight and on daily basis, deltaE below 3 should be more then good enough for most users.
I'm not a huge fan of the 2690's sRGB pre-set, though it is far better than my 2709W's which is a step above black and white due to under-saturation. The white point cannot be adjusted and I find mine has a very yellowish white point from the factory. The other choice is a 2690Wuxi2 and lose the ATW polarizer which I appreciate.
Not true, the white point on 2690 can be adjusted: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1354841