How many people are planning on upgrading (to R700 or G200)?

What will you be upgrading to this summer?

  • ATi R700 based board (4850, 4870, etc)

    Votes: 64 18.2%

  • nVidia G200 based board (260, 280, etc)

    Votes: 114 32.5%

  • Undecided, but I'll be upgrading

    Votes: 107 30.5%

  • I'll be sticking to my guns and hoping for a brighter future (and I'm not upgrading my GPU, either).

    Votes: 66 18.8%
  • Total voters
    351
RikkAndrsn said:
I only ever buy EVGA. Without a Step-Up program, I'd never risk buying an nVidia card (they have small updates almost every three months, like die shrinks or new revisions). Sapphire is my favorite ATi brand, though.
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Lol so you would rather buy an AMD card where there is never a step-up than a faster Nvidia card at the same price because the manufacturer doesn't offer a step-up?

*Boggle*

:confused:
 
I am a sucker for new GPUs I have gone 8800GTX>8800 Ultra>9800GX2 and now a GT280 but not a big SLI fan and since I am getting rid of my 790i and going back to my p35 that rules out SLI :)

I think this will be my last upgrade until Nehalm<sP?>
 
If the GTX280 20% better > Than the 4870 X2 == GTX280
If GTX280 < 20% better then the 4870 X2 == 4870 X2

basically I am saying that since the GTX280 will cost about 20% more than the 4870 X2, I will only buy it, if it is at least 20% better. :)
 
I have no brand loyalty, so I'm waiting on the reviews. If one of the new cards turns out to be a great performance value like the 8800GT and has really significant performance compared to my current 8800GTS I'll grab one. If not, I'll wait this one out. It's pretty rare that I find it worthwhile to upgrade before 2 generations have passed. I need a pretty drastic performance increase to avoid buyer's remorse.
 
Im goin ATI 4870x2 or maybe just 4850 depends if i get a job this summer to buy them maybe gonna do quad fire or i mite get the Nvidia G200 series depending which one is cheaper or stronger.
 
gtx200-series-performance.jpg

If this chart is true, nVidia still holds the advantage in high end. I'll wait until release dates for all these cards before deciding anything, though.
 
I'm going to need a much better cooling system, so I'll probably bite the bullet and go for a dual slot cooling solution this time around. Ever since I got my 550VX installed, my case has an interior temperature of around 55 to 57 C. It used to be around 47 to 50 C, so a dual slot will suck all that extra hot air out.

Would somebody be able to give me exact measurements of the cards when they hit? I kind of have a unique space problem in my case, and certain LxWxH combinations work while others do not. The only tried and true method I've found is making cardboard models and sticking them in as mock-up cards (I used this method to find that I could run a 8800 GTX if I flipped my HDs over and get angled SATA connectors).
 
RikkAndrsn said:
gtx200-series-performance.jpg

If this chart is true, nVidia still holds the advantage in high end. I'll wait until release dates for all these cards before deciding anything, though.
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Hello biased chart.

Wait for real reviews. :p
 
Undecided

Will be getting whatever one generates less heat and uses lower power consumption.
 
I won't move until I see benchmarks, costs, power figures and temperatures from both.

My current 7800GT is very long in the tooth, and I will be upgrading come mid-June. For me, which card I go with is going to have to be a balance between performance, cost, and heat.
 
gtx280powersj4.jpg


Courtesy of defiant007.

That certainly seems to paint a drastically different picture than the TDP figures. Imo, that's VASTLY preferable for what I want out of the GTX 280 anyway. Ironically it also seems like nVidia is going to make half of Hybrid SLI obsolete, lol.
 
I don't know, if you keep your PC on 24/7 a very low power graphics chipset would still give decent energy savings.
 
This is encouraging to see and kind of makes sense. The power draw only increases when the power is needed. Now if the the 3DMark06 run is at least twice as fast, that would be cool, not literally of course.
 
Blueagle87 said:
If the GTX280 20% better > Than the 4870 X2 == GTX280
If GTX280 < 20% better then the 4870 X2 == 4870 X2

basically I am saying that since the GTX280 will cost about 20% more than the 4870 X2, I will only buy it, if it is at least 20% better. :)
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If rumors are true, the GTX 280 will be almost twice as fast as a GX2 (around 70-80% faster).
The HD 4870 should have similar performance to a HD 3870 X2. If you double that i.e. theoretical HD 4870 X2 performance, you get a card 30-40% faster than a single 9800 GX2. And this is without Crossfire woes in mind. Based on this and the fact that the GTX 280 is a single GPU card, it should be 30-40% faster than the HD 4870 X2, in most cases.
 
CJ at B3d leaked these scores in Vantage (yeah yeah it's not the be all end all, but it gives you a good point of reference):

GTX280 with recent drivers: X4800

R700: X5500

Of course that doesn't mean thats exactly how they'll perform in game or anything, but it gives you a good point of reference as to theoretical power. So that should give you a good point to look at where RV770 should score as well
 
Im hoping the new cards will lower prices on the current line-up...
Maybe $100 Gt, $150 gts and <$200 Gtx...
 
Im psyched
Just got my new PC yesterday :D after 5 long years i went from a
AMD64 2800+ Single Core @ 1.8Ghz
1GB DDR400 (512x2) Generic Ram
160GB Sata
9800Pro AGP 8X
MSI K8T-Neo

too... !!!

E8400 @ 3.6Ghz Dualie :D + TT BigTyphoon VX
Asus Maximus Formula (Cant get Rampage where i live :()
4GB DDR2 800 (2x2) OCZ Reaper... Damn sexy ram
Seagate 500GB 32mb Cache
Soon to be either GTX 280 or HD 4870x2

:D
Color me excited
 
lord_citan said:
Im hoping the new cards will lower prices on the current line-up...
Maybe $100 Gt, $150 gts and <$200 Gtx...
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Not until GT200/G92b mid-range cards appear. Before they do, the existing G92 cards will essentially be NVIDIA's mid-range and since they are already "on" mid-range price segments, I doubt you'll see any significant price drops.
 
I could see the 9800GX2 dropping, since the GTX260 is going to be $450 and probably better than the 9800GX2. Thus, I think the 9800GTX may drop to $250, but probably no lower.
 
cjv4 said:
I could see the 9800GX2 dropping, since the GTX260 is going to be $450 and probably better than the 9800GX2. Thus, I think the 9800GTX may drop to $250, but probably no lower.
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I could see the 9800 GTX dropping in price, if the HD 4850 puts up a fight against it. If not, I don't think prices will fluctuate too much, since NVIDIA won't have anything in the $300 range, besides the 9800 GTX. But...we'lll just have to wait and see.
 
Silus said:
If rumors are true, the GTX 280 will be almost twice as fast as a GX2 (around 70-80% faster).
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That is what I want to see, the GTX 280 in direct comparison against a single GX2. :D

I wonder what day some quality review numbers will start to hit the net....

Soon I hope. I have a bad case of Step Up Fever!! :p
 
ZerazaX said:
CJ at B3d leaked these scores in Vantage (yeah yeah it's not the be all end all, but it gives you a good point of reference):

GTX280 with recent drivers: X4800

R700: X5500

Of course that doesn't mean thats exactly how they'll perform in game or anything, but it gives you a good point of reference as to theoretical power. So that should give you a good point to look at where RV770 should score as well
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Actually it shows NOTHING about 3D gaming performance...what so ever...so those numbers are more uselss than guessing :rolleyes:
 
cjv4 said:
I could see the 9800GX2 dropping, since the GTX260 is going to be $450 and probably better than the 9800GX2. Thus, I think the 9800GTX may drop to $250, but probably no lower.
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According to Nvidia the GTX260 is below the 9800GX2 in performance and the GTX280 slightly above. I don't know where Silus got 70-80% from but I'm expecting the GTX280 to be 20-30% faster based on technical specs and Nvidia's presentation.
 
I'm a budget kind of guy, so I don't see myself getting anything pricier than ~$200. I probably won't be buying until later in the summer either, so I might consider the HD4850 if the price is right and it's performance is significantly better than an 8800GT. Being that my motherboard only has one full sized PCIE slot, I might want to give a little more consideration to the HD4850 if I want my card to last to the max since I don't upgrade all that often. Anywhoo, those are my thoughts on the matter.
 
trinibwoy said:
According to Nvidia the GTX260 is below the 9800GX2 in performance and the GTX280 slightly above. I don't know where Silus got 70-80% from but I'm expecting the GTX280 to be 20-30% faster based on technical specs and Nvidia's presentation.
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What technical presentation ?
And I based the almost twice as fast as a GX2, on rumors floating around. Nothing is more than just rumors, except for specs, which should be true at this point.
 
Silus said:
What technical presentation ?
And I based the almost twice as fast as a GX2, on rumors floating around. Nothing is more than just rumors, except for specs, which should be true at this point.
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It wasn't a technical presentation. It was a price/performance slide showing where GTX260 and GTX280 fall compared to 9800GX2.

Expecting 2xGX2 is unreasonable considering the GX2 is often upwards of 60% faster than a single 9800GTX or 8800Ultra. That would mean GTX200 is over 3x faster than G80....doubtful at best, impossible most likely.
 
Taking the NVIDIA's graph into consideration, here's what "may" be the performance of each new GTX 200 GPU, against a HD 3870 X2:

Numbers taken from Tech-Report: http://techreport.com/articles.x/14355/1

Crysis @ 1920x1200

HD 3870 X2 - 27.7
9800 GX2 - 34.7
GTX 280 - 27.7 * 1.85 = 51.245
GTX 260 - 27.7 * 1.55 = 42.935

Quake Wars @ 1920x1200

HD 3870 X2 - 68.0
9800 GX2 - 101.9
GTX 280 - 68.0 * 2.1 = 142.8
GTX 260 - 68.0 * 1.7 = 115.6

Call of Duty 4 @ 1920x1200

HD 3870 X2 - 61.2
9800 GX2 - 84.2
GTX 280 - 61.2 * 1.48 = 90.576
GTX 260 - 61.2 * 1.25 = 76.5

UT3 @ 2560x1600

HD 3870 X2 - 68.5
9800 GX2 - 80.6
GTX 280 - 68.5 * 1.57 = 107.545
GTX 260 - 68.5 * 1.3 = 89.05

Only in Call of Duty 4, the new GTX 200 GPUs do not provide any significant improvement over a single GX2, but we don't know the settings used to get the results in the graph. But in all other games, common in both Tech-Report's review and NVIDIA's graph, the difference between a single GX2 and a GTX 280 goes up to 50%. The GTX 260 also takes the lead over the GX2.

There are also the games to which I have no numbers, like World in Conflict, where the difference should be even bigger. Obviously, I have no idea of what settings were used to run the games in NVIDIA's graph, so to be sure, we'll have to wait and see.
 
trinibwoy said:
According to Nvidia the GTX260 is below the 9800GX2 in performance and the GTX280 slightly above. I don't know where Silus got 70-80% from but I'm expecting the GTX280 to be 20-30% faster based on technical specs and Nvidia's presentation.
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IF this is the case, would be cheaper to get 2 of something else or for those who already have, say, an 8800 GTX to just get a second one.
 
Ok, found some recent numbers for Oblivion and World in Conflict @ http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/03/18/xfx_geforce_9800_gx2_600m_1gb_graphics_card/1

World in Conflict @ 1920x1200

HD 3870 X2 - 26.6
9800 GX2 - 33.6
GTX 280 -26.6 * 2.5 = 66.5
GTX 260 - 26.6 * 2.3 = 61.18

Oblivion @ 1920x1200

HD 3870 X2 - 60.3
9800 GX2 - 64.3
GTX 280 - 60.3 * 1.8 = 108.54
GTX 260 - 60.3 * 1.5 = 90.45

Which "may" show how powerful the GTX 280 can be, over a single GX2. Again, these are just numbers taken from real reviews, with proper "settings used" information, against a NVIDIA graph with no settings, so we'll just have to wait and see.
 
trinibwoy said:
According to Nvidia the GTX260 is below the 9800GX2 in performance and the GTX280 slightly above. I don't know where Silus got 70-80% from but I'm expecting the GTX280 to be 20-30% faster based on technical specs and Nvidia's presentation.
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I can't believe that the GTX260 would be below the 9800GX2 in performance. Especially by looking at the graph and interpreting the results as has been done just above.

I don't think it will be a lot better, but I am going to assume it is until I see otherwise.
 
i always upgrade when nvidia puts out new cards. i would do this with ati also, but havent seen anything interesting there since 9800 pro. it will be hard parting with the quad sli, but i will just demote 1 to system #2 and sell/step up the other.
 
Silus said:
Obviously, I have no idea of what settings were used to run the games in NVIDIA's graph, so to be sure, we'll have to wait and see.
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Precisely. Based on the numbers you put together the GTX260 could be up there with the GX2 as you said. But that is all based on numbers in an Nvidia marketing slide against the competitor's card at who knows what settings and on which platform.
 
We only really have about two weeks left of waiting before we find all this stuff out, or at least most of it.
 
I'll build a new system at the end of the summer. By that time I'll have good info about how they preform. I will likely go ATI because of the NVIDIA chipsets, costs, and power consumption, but I'm not sure yet.

I'm anther one that stays a year or so behind in games and such and it saves me quite a bit, but still get a quality experience.
 
In a perfect world the 4870s would be on par with the GT 280s and I could crossfire a pair with an Intel chipset, at a decent price.

However I doubt that will be the situation.
 
Do you post this kind of thing because you work for some retail company?

Why else would you post questions to something that NO ONE knows price, performance, or availability.
 
crap, now ive lost all my will to buy a new GPU at this point in time. Crytek has just said that they will stop support for crysis. There goes my hopes for patch 1.3

dammit! no game out there requires this much graphical power (well there are but i dont play them)
 
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