COD5 sucks. I mean really....just say no to this one.

First off is the sound. They are actually trying to tell us that they are top notch when every gun sounds like an underpowered water pistol. I can barely hear footsteps ever. Well, I will just make it short and say that they can go F a melon if they think I will pay for this weak offering.

Have look at the list of complaints and how they intend to fix or not fix them and you tell me if you still want to play. I wasn't even expecting much from this but they have gone out of their way to piss everyone off lol. Dumbasses.


Question 1: The Molotov Cocktails are weak, will this be fixed?

Vahn's Response: I increased the damage radius of the Molotov.


Question 2: When will the Roundhouse glitch be fixed?

Vahn's Response: We have fixed that glitch for the first title update to the retail game.


Question 3: Will there be any maps larger than Makin, Roundhouse, and Castle?

Vahn's Response: We have some bigger maps in the retail game. Downfall and Seelow in particular.


Question 4: Bolt-action rifles suck, Tommy gun rocks. Any plans on fixing that?

Vahn's Response: Yes. I tweaked the bolt actions already. I have not tweaked the SMGs.

I am not convinced the SMGs are over powered. Yes, it is true they are high-damage, but only if the fire rate is slow (like the MP40).

After the update, if you want a one-shot kill with bolt-action rifles then it's going to have to be a precision shot (neck and above). A shot in the foot will NOT be a one-hit kill.

So everyone knows where I am with this:

(1)
I did a tuning pass LAST week that significantly increases the range and damage of the bolt action rifles.

(2)
I posted my opinion about how the gun should be. I said I don't like it as a 1-shot kill weapon unless it was a precision shot. I said I have concerns about making it too powerful. These concerns are reasonable, because I've seen what happens to the game when it is a 1-shot kill weapon.

I cited the head and neck as an example of a precision shot.

(3)
The community has argued that a precision shot should include the upper torso.

Some of you have also argued very intelligently and politely other considerations for why it should include the upper torso. Thank you to those of you who cited your considerations without the drama. You know who you are.

(4)
I said that I would consider a 1-shot kill to the upper torso if you have Stopping Power and/or are at close range. I called for feedback on that idea.

(5)
Many, but not all, users responded favorably that they would be just fine with it being a 1-shot kill to the chest with Stopping Power.

Others, of course, expect the gun to all but kill someone if you even remotely point it in someone's general direction.

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I said that I would re-look at this gun on Friday (this coming Friday) and figure out where we left it.

That should now bring everyone up to speed, I think.


Question 5: Will there be a higher level cap/new playlists in the Beta?

Vahn's Response: We will most certainly increase the level cap again. Probably as early as next Friday. I won't know if we will put HQ in the beta, but it's not out of the realm of possibility


Question 6: Will there be anything like Old-School from CoD4?

Vahn's Response: I won't promise you that we will do that; but it is feasible and very likely that will do lots of playlist experimentation (double XP, no XP, Longer game timers, No Perks, etc., all) based on community input.


Question 7: The bipod is useless, will we be able to deploy it while prone?

Vahn's Response: We are trying very hard to put the feature where you go prone it deploys a gun with a bipod back in the game. It's very difficult to make work right and it was not ready for the beta or the retail game. I have seen it working and if we can make it fun, we will bring that feature back.


Question 8: Are the "Monkey" and "Play Dead" perks just 'hidden' in the Beta?

Vahn's Response: When you guys read about rumors like climbing trees and playing dead, many (but not all) of those things we talked about doing (some we even prototyped) and (some) turned out not to be fun. For example: Playing dead was not much fun. The game is too fast paces and deadly. What ended up happening was people just walking around shooting bodies. That is not the game we wanted to make.


Question 9: Will there be rewards for head-shots other than XP?

Vahn's Response: No. XP only, it took a lot of memory to add weapon camos and in most cases didn't look good on WWII guns. The memory was used to add/upgrade other gameplay features. We will never update the game to include weapon skins and it is unlikely we will do anything other than give XP for completing those Challenges.


Question 10: Will Beta stats/XP carry over to the retail game?

Vahn's Response: No.


Question 11: Will the PC version be as 'moddable' as CoD4?

Vahn's Response: Yes. Indeed. The PC team would probably just flat out murder me if I told you what sorts of mods have already been made. (The did some simple moding to make sure it was working ok, it is).

Consider that we have some AI path finding in the MP executable because of the dogs, I am pretty sure we are going to see some real insanity from the mod community!


Question 12: The tanks are overpowered!

Vahn's Response: We didn't want a tank to be able to be taken out with just 1 player by himself.

That didn't feel right at all. We tried it.

However, if 2 players work together and concentrate on the armor weak spot, destroying a tank is not difficult at all.


Question 13: Juggernaut-Overpowered, Stopping Power-Underpowered, Flak Jacket-Worthless.

Vahn's Response: I wanted to reply to this specific point because it's a common misconception. Whenever we see something like the above post, we are baffled by it.

Stopping Power is ignored when it's runs into someone with Juggernaught. In that situation, it's like neither of you have the perk.

To be super clear about this, I am not saying that Juggernaught does +10 and Stopping Power does -10. It's not balanced that way. At all.

But, I am saying that in-game logic the "benefit" of having the Perk is completely and totally ignored.

As to your complaint about the grenades and flak jacket?

We will have to agree to disagree here. Many community members complained that COD4's grenades were too powerful and spammy.

In a game mode like War and HQ, you will be thinking about that Flak Jacket.

If you are very used to the grenade splash damage (really the range because the damage is very similar) in COD4, this will feel a bit different.


Question 14: Will there be a swear filter?

Vahn's Response: We don't currently have any plans to implement a swear filter. The game is rated 'M' for Mature and is very violent. Swearing and gibs are a part of the game.


Question 15: Will there be in-game host migration?

Vahn's Response: No. COD3 had host migration because COD3 was a peer to peer game, where COD:WaW is a client-server game. We have always said that this game was built on the COD4 engine. This is one of the trade-offs you make.


Question 16: I'm worried everyone will use the flamethrower and it will be VERY overpowered.

Vahn's Response: The Flamethrower unlocks at a very high level. So, people will have to decide if they want the Flamethrower or they want to Prestige and unlock more Create a Class slots.

I don't think you will see large numbers of games with large numbers of people camping out at level 64 with the Flamethrower.

It's a short range weapon that also says, "Shoot me, I have a Flamethrower."

It's DEADLY. Don't get me wrong. It's BRUTAL. But, it's not worse than any other weapon in the game.

Until we have enough data that says we botched up the Flamethrower and it's over powered and the entire community has leveled up to 64 and does not want to Prestige so they can keep their flamethrower – I’ll take a wait and see attitude.

We almost made it a kill streak item, which would allow us to limit the number in the world. However, in the end we didn’t need to. It’s just like any other Perk weapon. It has advantages and disadvantages. It will work for some play styles and not work for others. I’ve wracked up huge kill streaks with it and I’ve been knifed in the face by the guy I was trying to kill.


Question 17: Why can't my gun turn any farther when mounted on a bipod? Is this supposed to happen?

Vahn's Response: It depends on what you are mounting against.

All COD games normally take a lot of creative liberty with what happens in first person vs third person.

Some examples:

-notice how you always have to look up at everyone even though you are the same height (camera placement for the guns).

-notice how you can walk up right to the wall and you don't have to lower your gun?

With the bipod mounting feature, it was a lot tougher.

While it feels to you that you should be able to move around in 1st person, if you looked at yourself in 3rd person, something is in your way. It could be something small, it could be something large.

We had it the way you suggested for about a week, but then guys would "float" in air or their legs would be inside a wall, etc., all. We had to change it.

Unfortuantly, it meant restricting the player movements which is never an easy decision for us.

Am I 100% happy with the bipod attachment right now? No. It would be a lie to tell you that I think this feature is perfect, because I don't. We are working on feature enhancements.

Please don't ask me for a timeline, because I'd be making it up.


Question 18: Will prestige icons be the same as CoD4?

Vahn's Response: No.


Question 19: Will the fire on the ground from cocktails/flamethrowers cause any damage?

Vahn's Response: Not in MP.

The fires on the ground will burn out very quickly. This was by design. Their were tuning and performance issues any other way.


Question 20: Bouncing Betties are hard to avoid, any tips?

Vahn's Response: Their are two defenses against them. Bomb Squad and Flak Jacket, one for the careful or sneaky player and one for the run and gun player.


Question 21: Will there be a Team Tactical?

Vahn's Response: Can, and probably will, be done. In general, I think we want to do a lot of playlist variations.


Question 22: Will we be able to turn off the auto-aim?

Vahn's Response: Yes.


Question 23: What will I get for prestige-ing?

Vahn's Response: Create-a-Class slots, Achievements, and Gamerpics.


Question 24: The spawn system sucks.

Vahn's Response: We made A LOT of changes to the spawning system.

The system itself is actually really powerful, however what we have noticed happens a lot is that spawns will get marked as "bad" (artillery strike, dog nearby, enemy player close by) so the spawn system ran out of spawn points to pick that would be better.

It's uber cool and very powerful. Now it just needs to be dialed in.


Question 25: I've noticed some hit-detection problems, what's going on?

Vahn's Response: I am personally not aware of any known, substantiated, issue with the hit detection.


Question 26: Would it be possible to make it so satchel charges can't be thrown and have to be placed on surfaces?

Vahn's Response: Yes. It is possible to do this. However, I imagine that this would upset a lot of Satchel Charge users who think that it might make them ... "worthless if we can't toss them?"


Question 27: If I have two of the same gun, when I shoot, it drains ammo from the CLIP of the other gun. Will this be fixed?

Vahn's Response: We fixed the "same gun, same ammo" problem. It was a bug.


Question 28: Why are the dogs so hard to kill?

Vahn's Response: We had the health higher, and we had the health lower. It felt best with the numbers you see in the demo in play testing.


Question 29: What will the level cap be increased to?

Vahn's Response: I don't know yet for sure. I haven't discussed it with the team. We usually make the decision Thursday or Friday morning and I've been out of the office. Probably somewhere in the high 30's or low 40's.


Question 30: Will there be playlists with more than 12 players?

Vahn's Response: Yes. Absolutely.


Question 31: Will there be more hardcore playlists?

Vahn's Response: Yes. We will see how these work out (and we need need to make adjustments) but you can play War in Hardcore on Day 1.

A lot of the MP developers are huge "hardcore" fans.


Question 32: Will there be a hardcore CTF

Vahn's Response: We were discussing the option of a Hardcore CTF. No promises, but if it's fun we will do it. I need to spend more time playing Hardcore CTF to see how well it works (or doesn't).


Question 33: Will we get an option to kick players in hardcore modes, rather than the game auto-kicking them? Sometimes it's not actually the teamkillers fault. (Friendly Bouncing Betty set off)

Vahn's Response: I think we already changed the fact that death by a friendly Bouncing Betty was counting against the kick limit.

I don't like a "Vote to Kick" system on the 360 and PS3. It interferes with the game pacing and requires people to come out of the moment in order to make a vote, head into a menu... press some buttons. I've done that system on COD3 and regretted it.

I feel differently about it on the PC, because you can bind keys (F1- Yes; F2- No) and that action is a lot quicker and you don't have to leave the screen.

What we need is feedback on the system, so adjustments can be made. Thanks.


Question 34: Will there be more maps added to the Beta?

Vahn's Response: We don't currently have any plans to release any new maps for the beta.


Question 35: Why is there no respawn timer in Hardcore TDM? Are you guys aware of this and is it being fixed?


Vahn's Response: Yes. I finally had a chance to look into it. It was a mistake. It was my mistake. I fixed it locally. It will go into QA tomorrow for testing and if it checks out, it will be in the next update.


Question 36: Will an unscoped Springfield be as effective as an unscoped bolt-action of a higher unlock level?

Vahn's Response: Yes, for sure.

The guns are not tuned in some way that something like the Springfield is somehow way better than the Kar98k, for example.

One, or the other, might be better for your play style and that is all.


Question 37: Why is the grease gun, or any other gun for that matter, not in the game?

Vahn's Response: o easy answer to this question. Simply, it didn't make the cut.

Here is the abbreviated inside story:

When I got involved with COD multiplayer, more than a few of the guns you will have were not even planned at that time.

The MP team aggressively lobbied for them. (Dare I say sold our proverbial souls?)

The art department and the animation department really came through for us (the collective us, MP game developers and MP players) even though something like the PTRS-41 and Double Barreled Shotgun wasn't even scheduled to be made.

Those guns turned out great so the designers of the SP/COOP ended up putting them in as well.

I am thankful every day that we were able to make as many guns and attachments as have. Could you make more guns and attachments? Sure, but we'd most certainly have to give something up for it.

Life is a little easier on the single-player/co-op designers when it comes to weapons. They only have to load a half dozen or so different guns depending on the level. They will never have to load the Arisaka, for example, in the German campaign part of the game.

In MP, we have to load EVERY SINGLE GUN because any player can have any gun (and any attachment variation) at any point.

Deciding which guns get made, and which go into the game, is never an easy thing.



Question 38: World at War has been in development for 2 years, why are there still glitches and bugs?

Vahn's Response: The game was made in a (not over a) 2 year time frame. That is true. Different parts of the game were made at different times. Most of the early work on the game was getting COOP up and running.

This doesn't mean some huge team of MP people did nothing but make MP for 2 years. I wish that was true, but it's not.

More importantly, this is a BETA. I would encourage you to look at the definition of a beta and don't confuse it for a demo.

Even the final game may have bugs, but it will certainly have fewer bugs than it would of had if we had not created a beta. The real consideration is if you believe that we will continue to work with the community to fix issues in the game, or not.


Question 39: Do you have any updates planned for the retail game?

Vahn's Response: We have at least 2 major, and unlimited minor, updates planned to retail game.


Question 40: Will there be any modding tools to work with the fast file format?

Vahn's Response: I don't know for sure, but given that the developers don't directly work with the fast files (other than generating them) it seems unlikely.


Question 41: The guns sound weak, is this how the game will sound when it comes out?

Vahn's Response: Yes, the audio largely reflects the retail version.

Brian and the entire award-winning sound department at Treyarch have done things with this videogame that have never been done before. For example, the sound occlusion.

It's easy to make the guns LOUD. It's not easy to mix an MP game.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the direction that we took and offer apologizes that you are disappointed.


Question 42: Martyrdom isn't realistic at all, couldn't you just disable the perk if the person killed was killed with a headshot?

Vahn's Response: Their is nothing very realistic about Martyrdom, or any Perk for that matter. It's called suspension of disblief and it happens every time you watch an action move or play an action video game.

Fair is subjective term and something a game designer constantly works hard to achieve.

Any equal argument could easily be made that it is unfair that I don't get to use a Perk because of where you happened to shoot me.

I don't feel Martyrdom is over-powered. We tuned the grenade damage. We gave you Flak Jacket which will let you survive a a Martyrdom grenade. Our maps are bigger with more escape routes and paths. Frag grenades are x2 and not x3.

I've very happy with where we netted out overall with our balance of the grenade spam.


Question 43: Bouncing betties aren't trip activated like a claymore, they are pressure activated mines, but when I get near one it explodes, should it be like this?

Vahn's Response: Yes. It is working as expected.

It's a video game Bouncing Betty. It has a trigger radius 360 degrees around.

I am always slightly baffled by the people who are expecting to pay $60.00 for Call of Duty: A History Lesson. This would be a terrible game to make and probably not that much fun to play.

not too shocking. Cod5 = Cod3 all over again.

COD4 redesign by another team was the way to go.. Never should have given it back to those idiots.

Can you post a quote here?

Updated.

Listen, unless some mod genius fixes this game, do not get it. At the very least, wait until a couple of patches have gone through. The game is not stable for multiplayer yet.

Some one give me the cliff notes..Wall of text sux..

Ok. Main point is that sound occlusion, how loud certain sounds are when you are in a certain spot like behind an object, is set to -8 in COD5.

COD4 is set to 0.

Use you imagination. COD5 developers feel like it is the best setting for multiplayer.

You guys know me, I am a sound nut. I can't hear shit in cod5 and they do not plan on changing that.

Multiplayer is not playable atm either. Too many crashes and most of them are server code related. Not good.

spaceman said:

Multiplayer is not playable atm either. Too many crashes and most of them are server code related. Not good.

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BETA.

Porter_ said:

BETA.

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Yeah and release in a few days.

They have already admitted to not intending to change the major complaints.

Anything else?

The only Call of Duty game I ever really liked was the first one, and they ruined that one with an update some time after its release. CoD4 was fun until I hit max level, and CoD5 is the same game as CoD4.

I dont know... the answers he gave to the questions were mostly reasonable. Ive not played the beta so I cant judge it, but its common for beta's to be 'x' builds older than the version that will end up in retail.

Im not sure what people were expecting from COD5. I personally was expecting a version of COD4, but set in WW2 with WW2 era weapons. Sounds like they have pretty much delivered that from what Ive read. I think some people were expecting a leap like what COD4 was over COD2 (on the PC Im thinking here) which was an astounding step forward. COD5 was never meant to be such a leap...

I will wait and read the reviews. If they think its good, I'll probably buy it.

Im personally hoping that COD6 is actually set in the near future .. like 2015 or something where the weapons are advanced, but not 'star wars' advanced.

spaceman said:

Yeah and release in a few days.

They have already admitted to not intending to change the major complaints.

Anything else?

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the major 'complaints' are subjective. compatibility problems and crashes are not. i'm sure the problems with crashing will be resolved by release. also when was the Q & A you posted above? it seems a little outdated since they're talking about a level cap in the 30-40 range.

spaceman said:

Updated.

Listen, unless some mod genius fixes this game, do not get it. At the very least, wait until a couple of patches have gone through. The game is not stable for multiplayer yet.

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Uhh, what?
I am playing that same game and loving it. Who are you to tell us all to ditch it cuz it sucks? Maybe you find it shitty, I find it great. kkty

$50 for a mod with bad sound and constant crashes.

If they fix it and make it $20 like it should be, I am all about it. As is, there are better mods available for free.

I want to play this game. I am pissed that there is nothing worth a crap to play atm. All of the recent releases are good games but nothing for multiplayer fps like the BF series. It is killing me.

They tried to implement squads in COD5 but failed. All it does is make people in you squad the same color on the map.

There are plenty of hacks available for this game due to the use of the Q3 engine. This is also why I am not playing cod4 btw.

The game will not launch in a stable state. If you buy it on release, expect trouble for at least the first month.

CoD was never one for extremely realistic weapon sounds. It got progressively worse with CoD4 the ak sounded like a fucking peashooter.

That isn't a reason to dislike a game, imo, especially a multiplayer game.

Every release since COD2 has been a mod off the same platform, arguably since COD1. I don't know why it took until the 5th release for people to see this.

Drakan290 said:

COD4 redesign by another team was the way to go.. Never should have given it back to those idiots.

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Agreed. All they had to do was make COD4: The World War II mod and be done with it.

This game is being done by the same folks that brought us the mess known as COD3, yes? If so, then that is where the legitimate concern is going to be for a lot of people going into this thing.

Ok, I get you don't like the game, but why try to make the case for others not to like it? It seems like people think they are entitled to the exact game they want, and can't be happy with anything else. Don't like it? Don't buy it. - Get over yourself.

Dang, I was hoping this would be a good game. I know that CoD2 and CoD4 were made by one team and CoD3 (which I heard sucked pretty badly) was made by another....I wish they didn't switch teams again. *Sigh*...I guess I can wait for CoD6, or at least get into other games besides this one.

Q-BZ said:

Agreed. All they had to do was make COD4: The World War II mod and be done with it.

This game is being done by the same folks that brought us the mess known as COD3, yes? If so, then that is where the legitimate concern is going to be for a lot of people going into this thing.

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Exactly. That is how I feel. It just is not a real COD game. I love this series but mostly b/c of the first two and UO. After that? meh. I am re-installing cod2 and going back to see if the old guys are still on my favorite servers.

Ok so I've played a lot of CoD4 and just read like every other line in that wall of questions and answers... Can someone please enlighten me as to what answers in particular are really pissing people off?

The same people who made CoD3/5 are the same people who brought United Offensive and that was amazing.

Mostly the hacks already being prevalent, server/game crashes(it is a beta but it is pretty bad too), balance of play with gun power and the perks(martyr sucks, last stand is dumb, some perks do not seem to do much like flak jacket), sound is at -8 compared to cod4? wtf is that? etc.

It does run smoother than cod4 though. I must say that. The dogs are funny for pubs. Tanks are interesting as are squads. Neither work well but still.

Just a not ready for prime time game. It should have been a free mod or $20 at most.

I'm not getting it strictly because any army can use any weapon.

Watching a german fire a Thompson with a scope on it is retarded. Just like the Japanese firing an MP-40 with a silencer is stupid.

United Offensive was my favorite CoD multiplayer. CoD:4 is fun but frustrating and I could barely take the lack of realism. Taking the realism out of WW2 = not buying.

I loved COD4, and i'm eagerly awaiting COD:WAW. I'm buying them for the 360 though. I played COD4 last week and there were still 80,000 players online! I hope WAW is equally as popular.

Jeff

Meh, don't see what the big fuss is. If you don't like it, don't try to force other people who enjoy it to not like it either. IMO, game is good and not a pos as others have stated, runs fine on my rig also.

That was way too long of a post OP.

Multiplayer sucks imo. If the single-player is any good it might be worth it... might.

On HC servers with the japanese bolt action rifle and stopping power, I get One-shot-one-kills all the time (I unlocked the bayonet for it too).

Don't see what the big fuss is. The only thing I did not like was the weapon sounds from other players shooting. Other than that I think the beta gave me a good impression of what to expect-- the same addicting cod4 game in another era...just what i expected (+ dismemberment, which i did not expect).

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Don't see what the big fuss is. The only thing I did not like was the weapon sounds from other players shooting. Other than that I think the beta gave me a good impression of what to expect-- the same addicting cod4 game in another era...just what i expected (+ dismemberment, which i did not expect).

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Agreed, dismemberment caught me off guard, I thought that added bit was pretty cool heh.

You can't hear anyone, even if they are shooting it is tough to tell where, and the developers think it is perfect. That confuses the hell out of me. The maps are still tiny. It is still CSSOD. The kicker is wanting $50 for the game. I can't get with that. Even Warhead was only $30 and now it is $20.

Just not worth it imo. Just me but I am also fed up with cod4 and the constant wtf? was that lag, hack, etc in pubs and the complete lack of any other competition except for S&D which is just awfully repetitive.

i've have blast so far with MP beta

don't know why everyone is so against it

gorilla show said:

the same addicting cod4 game in another era...just what i expected (+ dismemberment, which i did not expect).

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Dont forget:

- co-op campaign
- zombies
- prestige
- Jack Bauer

tl;dr

kuyaglen said:

Dont forget:

- co-op campaign
- zombies
- prestige
- Jack Bauer

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Does the PC version have prestige for sure? I know the consoles do...

spaceman said:

Updated.

Listen, unless some mod genius fixes this game, do not get it. At the very least, wait until a couple of patches have gone through. The game is not stable for multiplayer yet.

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It sounds like they are making a lot of effort to get it to play well.
They are listening to feedback, giving feedback themselves and ARE improving it.

Its a beta.
Its not a final release waiting to be patched !!

Having looked around the net Spaceman, it would appear not everybody agrees with your assessment of the game. Ive seen many posts and threads on sites where people are having fun with this beta/demo.

I would also bet that the reviews will be >80% (which is the point of purchase for most people who care to read reviews)

You know, COD4 wasnt perfect either and still suffers from a number of the issues you mention that are in COD5. Yet it sold bucket loads and people still have a lot of fun with it. As for the price.. if you think its overpriced or you cant afford it, then dont buy it.

You need to present a more balanced argument, as your complaints at the moment come across as more of a rant/vent. As somebody else asked... what exactly in their answers (original post) pisses you off ??

The sound most of all. The price second. It will not launch with a stable server code third. The incredibly stupid perks like martyr have been included fourth. The balance of play and the complete lack of any real teamplay, small ass maps and that it is CSS with different skins.

Just my opinion. I think it is a rip and that's that. Agree or not. It's cool either way.

I likes it!

took awhile to grow on me, but i'll prolly pick this one up.

Hey. Heads up. It's a video game.

If you want real sounds, faction-specific weapons, the ability to hear the enemy footsteps, and undeniable realism, go join the army/marines.

Stop bitching and man up. You're playing a toy.