(cf)Eclipse
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depends on the cpu you have now 
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Dual-core 939 Opterons...what's the word?
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Andross182
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dammit i want an opteron chip now!!!!
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Advil said:
That's the same reasoning I used
. Mine is on the way.while I feel good about reading this before I bought a 3800+ X2 - I don't think the X2 owners have anything to feel bad about. (price-wise or performance-wise or even overclockability)Bona Fide said:I bet a lot of us X2 owners are feeling really stupid right now...could've saved money and gotten a better OC.
Now the question is - do I go ahead and place an order (Opteron 170 for me) at Mwave while they are out of stock or do I patiently wait for them to be back in stock...(hmm will the price change?)
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drizzt81 said:
Mine is already for sale in the forum
I'm still wondering if these get the cool heatpipe retail HSF's
.A little push for those still on the fence on this. Dropped the voltage down to 1.52v from 1.54v and increased the speed up to 2.970mhz from 2.925mhz.
My cpu temp dropped only one degree while the temp for the PWMIC increased 3-4 degrees, I have bigger fan on the way. Hopefully it will help.
HERE IS THE PROBLEM:
Any voltage over 1.595, my whole system will shutdown. I am thinking my psu, but I have a Enermax 600watts Noisetaker SLI. I've try testing this running at stock speed and it behavior the same way. Has anyone seen this problem before?
Search DFI-Street, there was one guy that have the same issue, and he uses the Enermax psu as well.
My cpu temp dropped only one degree while the temp for the PWMIC increased 3-4 degrees, I have bigger fan on the way. Hopefully it will help.
HERE IS THE PROBLEM:
Any voltage over 1.595, my whole system will shutdown. I am thinking my psu, but I have a Enermax 600watts Noisetaker SLI. I've try testing this running at stock speed and it behavior the same way. Has anyone seen this problem before?
Search DFI-Street, there was one guy that have the same issue, and he uses the Enermax psu as well.
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Advil said:
I ordered mine from Mwave yesterday and they were in stock
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not really. ive been enjoying mine for over a month now, and even at 2.4ghz this thing is faster than a bat outta hell.Bona Fide said:I bet a lot of us X2 owners are feeling really stupid right now...could've saved money and gotten a better OC.
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im gonna wait till i see more OC's to say that. im not gonna be selling my chip and getting another unless i am SURE ill get higher clocks...Bona Fide said:
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Oh I'm defnitely watching this thread- I've been planning on a X2 3800+, but the Opteron 165 is looking pretty nice now also
Benton The Race
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Hey guys, I am about to order the 165 opteron, but had a question. What is the diffrence between the 165 and the 170 besides clock speed, and since I am planning on OC'ing anyway, thats not an issue. On a side note, I am so pumped. Only $305 and in stock and better OC than the x2! Glad I waited. I am getting my rig for xmas, do you think I should order my opterown now or wait till dec. to see if the price goes down?
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Benton The Race said:
165 and 170 is different only in the multi which is reflected in clockspeed (x9 vs. x10).
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I ordered my 170 from Mwave on Friday and I plan to put it in my ASUS rig.
Actually Newegg has them too, but they are overpriced.Bona Fide said:I think mWave and Monarch are the only reputable companies currently stocking the dual-core models. And since mWave is currently OOS, Monarch it is. Too bad I voided the warranty and any chance of returning this CPU.
RavenD said:
Raven,
My Enermax psu is model EG701AX-VE(W) 24P Noisetaker. It is a 600watts psu. My +3.3 Rail is only 3.18v and the +12 Rail is only 11.88.
Not sure what is going on here, but after playing with some memory settings, it works at 1.55v + 104% (1.612v). SP2004 failed after 55 minutes at 3ghz. Other vcore settings still shuts down my system. Including 1.425v + 113% (1.610). Weird.
I think I am done testing this great CPU. I will settled at 2.970ghz, where it is really stable. Now to reinstall Windows so I have a fresh copy and play some games.
Bona Fide said:I think mWave and Monarch are the only reputable companies currently stocking the dual-core models. And since mWave is currently OOS, Monarch it is. Too bad I voided the warranty and any chance of returning this CPU.
mwave shows in-stock right now.
Ok, I pulled the trigger on a Opteron 165 from Mwave.
A few dollars less than Monarch and shipped nice safe 2 day instead of the slower ground options. (less time to mangle it in transit)
As far as whether this is a good time to upgrade:
None of my usual distributors have any stock of the 939 opterons yet, single or dual, except for a couple exceptions at the old insane price. So, I think this is a good time to buy as availability may get worse fast as we go toward Christmas. Opterons are supposed to be server chips after all, so I'm not expecting to see them go on super sale on black friday. Also, with the revised AMD road maps I've seen in the last couple of days, I don't think there's much chance I'll want another mobo/cpu upgrade until at least june of 2006. eight months is a good safe stretch for a hardware enthusiast.
A few dollars less than Monarch and shipped nice safe 2 day instead of the slower ground options. (less time to mangle it in transit)
As far as whether this is a good time to upgrade:
None of my usual distributors have any stock of the 939 opterons yet, single or dual, except for a couple exceptions at the old insane price. So, I think this is a good time to buy as availability may get worse fast as we go toward Christmas. Opterons are supposed to be server chips after all, so I'm not expecting to see them go on super sale on black friday. Also, with the revised AMD road maps I've seen in the last couple of days, I don't think there's much chance I'll want another mobo/cpu upgrade until at least june of 2006. eight months is a good safe stretch for a hardware enthusiast.
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Benton The Race said:
well thats a tough one, the prices for the opterOWN batch that came up shot up once people realized what they were getting, and this might happen with the 165s as well, a part of me says buy now, but the drawback is that you might get a DOA processor maybe???
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AMD owns the server market with the Opteron when it comes to performance. I think making the Opteron 165 the cheapest AMD dual core CPU is not only a great idea , but also a marketing strategy by AMD. Once they got everyone talking about Opteron... then everyone will want them.. which I think in the long run gives ALOT of confidence to OEM's and big corporations to use AMD based CPU's.
It will be interesting to see what the average OC that the [H] community can pull off. If it is as good as I hope it will be, expect AMD to rock this quater on Opteron sales(which is what I think AMD is trying to prove)
By the way have you all signed the petition yet?
In the Spirit of Fair and Open Competition, AMD Challenges Intel to a Duel....
a Dual-Core Duel. Will Intel Accept the Challenge?
, but also a marketing strategy by AMD. Once they got everyone talking about Opteron... then everyone will want them.. which I think in the long run gives ALOT of confidence to OEM's and big corporations to use AMD based CPU's. It will be interesting to see what the average OC that the [H] community can pull off. If it is as good as I hope it will be, expect AMD to rock this quater on Opteron sales(which is what I think AMD is trying to prove)
By the way have you all signed the petition yet?
In the Spirit of Fair and Open Competition, AMD Challenges Intel to a Duel....
a Dual-Core Duel. Will Intel Accept the Challenge?
I'm starting to think the same thing. This may be a brilliant marketing strategy by AMD, either that or they are dumb as posts, I can't decide which.
Why would they intentionally put a dual core server CPU, with more cache, and the same features, slightly slower than the slowest X2, and make it less expensive than the desktop chip?
This may be a brilliant move on AMD's part to expose their early lead and superior dual core technology by making all the enthusiasts want it. The internet exposure they are getting on all the [H]ardcore sites right now is tremendous.
I see two major possibilities, either they are
A) Doing this purely to rub it in the face of Intel, or
B) They are trying to see if they can push the dual core tech into all the enthusiasts hands and make the transition faster.
B may be less likely since they are also selling the single core opteron's at insanely low prices.
Fascinating.
Why would they intentionally put a dual core server CPU, with more cache, and the same features, slightly slower than the slowest X2, and make it less expensive than the desktop chip?
This may be a brilliant move on AMD's part to expose their early lead and superior dual core technology by making all the enthusiasts want it. The internet exposure they are getting on all the [H]ardcore sites right now is tremendous.
I see two major possibilities, either they are
A) Doing this purely to rub it in the face of Intel, or
B) They are trying to see if they can push the dual core tech into all the enthusiasts hands and make the transition faster.
B may be less likely since they are also selling the single core opteron's at insanely low prices.
Fascinating.
I think this is just like the "X800GTO2" thing. AMD has a helluva lot of leftover San Diego cores so they just rebadge them and sell em off as Opterons. Notice this is coming soon after the opening of FAB 5 in Dresden, where the new FX line and X2 line is going to be produced, as well as a new 65nm process.
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Ok, what exactly is the different between the X2 and the 939 Opterons?
From what I've been reading, they're basically just rehased Toledo cores with locked multipliers?
What's the difference between Toledo and Denmark?
From what I've been reading, they're basically just rehased Toledo cores with locked multipliers?
What's the difference between Toledo and Denmark?
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Wait so do you think I should order my opteron now just to be safe so if the prices go up or the clock speeds go down, I'll be safe? And would you say the 165 is the better bang for the buck, because I am on a limited budget.
EQTakeOffense said:
The single-core Opterons are failed and/or rebadged San Diego cores. They are just clocked down and the multiplier is locked. The CABNE stepping Opterons are failed FX processors, so they OC a lot better.
The dual-core Opterons are just failed Toledo cores. So they're downclocked and rebadged as well.
Denmark is the core name for the dual-core Opterons. It's the same as Toledo, but a different name.
Also, the key with Opterons is that their testing procedure is MUCH more stringent. As a result, they usually overclock much better.
Benton The Race said:
Honestly, I think the 165 is the best price/performace buy. The only different between the 165 and the 170 is 200mhz and multi of 9 versus 10. If your board can handle HTT above 300, then the obvious choice would be the 165.
300x9 = ~2.7ghz
311x9 = ~2.8ghz
322x9 = ~2.9ghz
333x9 = ~3.0ghz
So be sure your board can handle the high HTT. Otherwise, the 170 (~$90 more) give you a little more flexibilities.
Bona Fide said:The single-core Opterons are failed and/or rebadged San Diego cores. They are just clocked down and the multiplier is locked. The CABNE stepping Opterons are failed FX processors, so they OC a lot better.
The dual-core Opterons are just failed Toledo cores. So they're downclocked and rebadged as well.
Denmark is the core name for the dual-core Opterons. It's the same as Toledo, but a different name.
Also, the key with Opterons is that their testing procedure is MUCH more stringent. As a result, they usually overclock much better.
Don't you conflict yourself by saying they are failed desktop chips but overlcock better than desktop chips