Emulation Software Detected!

Dude im with you! When theyve gone to the point to make me uninstall any software that does not directly create some sort of error with whatever i bought they've gone too far! I also like to use cd images you dont ever have to wait for that annoying cd check time at the beginning and the load times are faster. But thats not what really bothers me. If I want to install Alcohol and x game then I should be able to! Sorry i like emulation software.
 
i think the question is:

why is madden detecting what's on your computer?

i can see if you're USING alcohol 120% to run the disc, but just having it installed i find to be different. i'm all for cd-keys and etc. but when they go out and start detecting what's on you drive then that's too far.

take it back
 
Do they mention in their license that Madden "conflicts" with other software? Is there some type of warning?

If I get home with the software, open the box, try to install it and run into those problems, what are my options? Suppose I don't want to uninstall my tools. Can I return the software? Some places give store credit, some only do a swap. I guess I am going to have to pay closer attention to return policies.
 
bipolar said:
We're just going to have to disagree on this; I don't think they have the right to prevent me from playing their game -- with or without the CD ROM in the drive -- because of a piece of software that happens to be installed on that computer. I'll see what their license has to say ... who actually reads those things anyway ;)

The upshot, as I said, is that for as long as they use this type of invasive copy protection, I'll never purchase an EA Game again.
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you could disagree but the Supreme court has rules that the EULA is in fact a binding contract. If you read it carefully they probably have a clause that states that you do not own the IP. You own the RIGHT to use but that is as far as that goes. And for you to use it you have to abide by the IP owner EULA hence it being one of the first thing you click on "I agree". Most people of course do not read the fine print and just check I agree and install away. More than likely there is something in the EULA that states about the game detecting software on your computer. So technically you ARE aware by contract law ;) Yes even if you didn't read it and just haphazardly clicked the "I Agree" button.
 
That's stupid that EA GAmes did that and I don't agree with it, but if it's in their software license that if you have potential pirating software then the game won't play, then that's totally legal. It's bullcrap that they do it and it's retarded, but honestly, if the average joe that buys it can't copy it for his friend, his friend will probably go out and buy a copy. EA knows that and the fact is, the few people that do oppose it, they don't give a shit about.
 
When I buy a game it says on the box which operating systems the game is compatable with. If my OS is not listed, I have no reasonable expectation of that game working on my system.

If I buy Madden 2005, does it say specifically on the box exterior the game will not work with a CD emulation program on my system? If there is no disclaimer on the box apprising the buyer of this fact, there is a problem. You have every right to expect the game to work on your system if it (system) meets the requirements listed on the exterior of the box. The EULA you read after the CD is in your drive does no one any good if you have already paid the cash on a non-returnable game. At the very least the game should be returnable because of this.

The game manufacturer/distributor can employ any method they wish to control what systems the game will work on; however, the buyer must be made aware of the restrictions prior to purchase.

Just one persons take on the situation.
 
Netrat33 said:
he is PERSONALLY checking your computer...man that kicks ASS ;)
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*hand movements and yellow lines on screen* now you see the emulation software comes in here and then BOOM! and then BAP on the software.
 
What will happen next is that when you buy a game you'll have unplug your CD-RW because you could copy the game. It'll say that in the licence agreement that we all click through and that will make it ok. When that happens I'd like to see how many of you are ok with it then. Oh, yeah, I'm just too lazy to unplug my computer and disable my CD-RW everytime I want to play a game... :rolleyes:
 
HRslammR said:
*hand movements and yellow lines on screen* now you see the emulation software comes in here and then BOOM! and then BAP on the software.
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lmao

you forgot the line formation and the cornerback coming in for the blitz
 
figgie said:
you could disagree but the Supreme court has rules that the EULA is in fact a binding contract. If you read it carefully they probably have a clause that states that you do not own the IP. You own the RIGHT to use but that is as far as that goes. And for you to use it you have to abide by the IP owner EULA hence it being one of the first thing you click on "I agree". Most people of course do not read the fine print and just check I agree and install away. More than likely there is something in the EULA that states about the game detecting software on your computer. So technically you ARE aware by contract law ;) Yes even if you didn't read it and just haphazardly clicked the "I Agree" button.
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Supreme court also agrees with taking away rights that are NOT suppose to be taken away because they are rights... wtf is ur point? Because i know mine. Its that just because the surpreme court said this or that does NOT make it right or okay. And in the end the game will be pirated anyways so what exactly are they stopping? NOTHING except the people spending money on their dumb games and thus are forced to get cd cracks or even pirate games they bought. So really their own anti piracy system is forcing people to pirate! YAY! =)
 
Most of the people in the thread are failing to see the point behind your complaint. The email you typed out was very professional and adult. I doubt EA will respond well, but I hope so for your sake.

The point is that he paid for the rights to the game. He has a license to play the game. EA is muscling over the consumer to try to defeat the pirates, and it's just poor business. Cd checks have now become a necessity, it seems. Unfortunately, the pirates do not get affected as much as the legit gamer.

The poster is not saying that EA should not do this. Saying he is lazy is not a valid arguement. That's not the point, as it is a matter of principle. He's not even really bitching either, cause he bought the game, it didn't work. He'll get a refund, or something, and not purchase anymore EA games.

One person won't matter, but I seriously doubt that this is an isolated incident.

Bottom line, piracy hurts the good guy. To be horribly trite, nice guys do indeed finish last. Even in video games.
 
punisher said:
When I buy a game it says on the box which operating systems the game is compatable with. If my OS is not listed, I have no reasonable expectation of that game working on my system.

If I buy Madden 2005, does it say specifically on the box exterior the game will not work with a CD emulation program on my system? If there is no disclaimer on the box apprising the buyer of this fact, there is a problem. You have every right to expect the game to work on your system if it (system) meets the requirements listed on the exterior of the box. The EULA you read after the CD is in your drive does no one any good if you have already paid the cash on a non-returnable game. At the very least the game should be returnable because of this.

The game manufacturer/distributor can employ any method they wish to control what systems the game will work on; however, the buyer must be made aware of the restrictions prior to purchase.

Just one persons take on the situation.
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Wonderfully said. I concur.
 
Does this happen with other Virtual CD software also like Virtual CD, GameDrive, and Daemon Tools?

I am interested in getting GameDrive since it has LiveUpdate to update it for future games, but if this happens with GameDrive also, I see no point in it.
 
bipolar said:
As long as I'm not violating any laws established by my representatives in the state and federal legislature, I'm free to do whatsoever I like. I can have porn, so long as it is not illegal porn. I'm not pirating anything, so not sure where you got that from. It *is* legal to make backups of software. It's called Fair Use, you may want to google it before proceeding. In a nutshell: It is not illegal to make backups of software, but the software manufacturer doesn't have to make it "easy" -- they can add copy protection. However, when that copy protection starts telling me what otherwise-legal programs I can have installed, they go to far.
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YOUR representatives??? Are you really that naive? There are an elite few that remember there true responsibility for why they are in office, but most have forgotten that and now follow the their own opinion and/or corporations with all the money. Orin "down the" Hatch is the worst of them. Evidence of the RIAA & MPAA bribing politicians to push their bills is surfacing too.

DMCA states that circumventing copy protection schemes to make copies is illegal. That trumps fair-use. big debate over it. However, making a perfect clone by blind reading is not circumventing anything. After all, its nothing but 1's and 0's. But they still call that a violation of the DMCA.

Yes, dictating what program you can or can't use is over the line, and unfortunately it pisses off the legal consumers and to simplify all the uninstalling and installing of legitimate software, it makes the legit users consider looking for a way to bypass the hassle. Thus demand for crack and hacks rises and those with the skills answer those demands by making the cracks then providing them. Thus the legit users have now chosen an illegitimate path because of all the hassle caused by the publishers. The publishers indirectly caused the illegal use of their products. Now we know piracey is inevitable, but this only increases the illegal use even more.


As for me and my games, of all the games I have that won't run if I have certain software installed. The cummulative list is here
Nero, UltraISO, Deamon Tools, CloneCD, Alcohol 120%, Roxio, Cute, WinISO and virtualdrive.
I have to uninstall the software I use to capture video from my old home videos on VHS and burn to DVD. Thus I lose all the settings and have to re configure each time :mad: :mad:
 
punisher said:
When I buy a game it says on the box which operating systems the game is compatable with. If my OS is not listed, I have no reasonable expectation of that game working on my system.

If I buy Madden 2005, does it say specifically on the box exterior the game will not work with a CD emulation program on my system? If there is no disclaimer on the box apprising the buyer of this fact, there is a problem. You have every right to expect the game to work on your system if it (system) meets the requirements listed on the exterior of the box. The EULA you read after the CD is in your drive does no one any good if you have already paid the cash on a non-returnable game. At the very least the game should be returnable because of this.

The game manufacturer/distributor can employ any method they wish to control what systems the game will work on; however, the buyer must be made aware of the restrictions prior to purchase.

Just one persons take on the situation.
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I can see a possible monumental lawsuit over this. Just make sure you get a jury trial. The choice is garrunteed in the Bill of Rights. If the court denies you that, then there is a much bigger problem. Inform the jury of your situation and compare it to something similar that they will likely run into or understand more. i.e. Copy protected audio CDs that work on some players but not others and can't return either.
 
surely they will get hundreds of complaints and possibly put out a patch to allow you to play the game and use 120% at the same time. what game was it they did a patch too, and it did the same thing, any virtual drive was detected and the game would not run. was it rainbow six ?. anyway they got hundreds of complaints and quicly fixed this problem
 
I do have a suggestion. Go to your alcohol options, click emulation and extra emulation, and uncheck everything except ignore media type and Launch CD/DVD manager. That's the way I'm set up and somehow I've gotten everything with this supposed emulation protection to work. I'm even playing Doom 3 on images. So far I've been able to get around all the emulation protection without using a crack.
 
RagingGecko said:
I do have a suggestion. Go to your alcohol options, click emulation and extra emulation, and uncheck everything except ignore media type and Launch CD/DVD manager. That's the way I'm set up and somehow I've gotten everything with this supposed emulation protection to work. I'm even playing Doom 3 on images. So far I've been able to get around all the emulation protection without using a crack.
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Alright, finally a reasonable solution. Everyone using an emulation software should try this if they aren't happy.

What it boils down to is this ... piracy is rampant and the production companies know about it. They will discover new ways to fight against it, and yes that might include blocking emulation software (that once again is largely used by the pirating community). When you click "I Agree" you have bound youself to that contract agreeing to what is said in the EULA, and that may include scanning your computer for such software.

So turning around and complaining is yes, your right to complain, but at the same time .. hilarious. If you hate this process, the only thing I can suggest is read up on your desired games and see if this is something they do, and or ... use the cd. lol..

I understand the level of frustration, because I to use emulation (Virtual CD, and Daemon Tools). But I realized the problem and did what was needed to play my game and went on with life. Certainly people can understand the common sense factor here, yes ?

Thanks
 
Isn't there a Fixed EXE that will make Madden forget about CloneCD/Daemon's/etc etc.
 
I'm a using CloneCD. Painkiller was the 1st game to give me that Emulation Error. I did the uninstall of CloneCD and only loaded the stand alone Virtual CloneDrive app. This way I can play Painkiller and Doom3 with no Emulation Error and still have my Images work made with CloneCD prior. Lately my version of CloneCD won't make workable Images to newer games. So, I go over to GCW and look for No CD Check or Fixed.exe for my games. Same reason as you don't want to keep loading CD's for all my different games. I have 3 players: Burner,CD & DVD and still I'm swapping CD's.
 
Considering that most people who pirate games get a cracked version rather than copying it from friends, I'd have to believe that it is mostly legitimate users who are affected but I can't blame EA or anyone for these practices, it may have its drawbacks for legit users but it also does screw over at least a few thousand pirates over the life of Madden 2005.
 
I'd take the game back, get a refund and avoid buying games like that in the future. Vote with your dollars people because they make a whole lot more difference than your electoral votes and opinions.
 
I don't know if it's been mentioned, but as the original poster tried installing the game on a different partition than that of Alcohol? That's how I've got my system setup: Windows and programs on the C drive, games and everything else on a whole separate hard drive. I have NEVER gotten any emulation program errors where people have said they have (I think Doom 3 was a big one :confused: ).
 
So far so good for me too, I run Daemon Tools and no game has ever complained about my having it installed. Then again I think DTools tries to make itself hidden.
 
Staples said:
Considering that most people who pirate games get a cracked version rather than copying it from friends, I'd have to believe that it is mostly legitimate users who are affected but I can't blame EA or anyone for these practices, it may have its drawbacks for legit users but it also does screw over at least a few thousand pirates over the life of Madden 2005.
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Few thousand? If that were true then say 5% of legit users have problems yet it stops 0.1% percent of pirates... wow yes very good system there. :rolleyes:
 
Bipolar, can we get a copy of the EULA posted, or a link to it so we can all read it.

I totally see this as bad as asking you to unplug your CD writer, but I also dont see it going that far. Any way, I dont and from now on will not own any EA Games until this practice is stopped and/or a patch is made for the games.

I hate EULA's for the fact that thier pretty fucking advanced (I have read about 30% of the ones I have signed and after graduating college with honors I still have trouble with some) I cannot see my little sister (14yoa) understanding any of that.
I hate that and I hate that you do not get the EULA until you get home, after which you cannot return the program.

I think fair buisness practice would be to post the EULA's on a poster next to the games for sale. If I cannot read it until after I own it that is bullshit. And should be illegal.
 
ninethreeeleven said:
I think fair buisness practice would be to post the EULA's on a poster next to the games for sale. If I cannot read it until after I own it that is bullshit. And should be illegal.
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I swear..it's people who pirate bitch and whine the most when they actually go legit I'm pretty sure. No one is forcing you to buy their software, but once you do, the company has rights for how you install the software. (And no that doesn't mean go pirate the game either because no one is saying it's your right to free games either) All they need to tell you is system requirements. And it's in their rights to say "wanna play the game, you can't have *blank* installed"

And as for legit users getting screwed over? Just a hunch, but i'm sure a lot of you who are using those programs are snagging a free games more than once in a while. I personally have never really heard of the program until about 4 months ago. And i'm pretty sure the common computer user probably hasn't heard of it. I don't need software to copy a cd to my hard drive *taking up MORE space after install an already huge game* because...I actually OWN the cd.
 
Netrat33 said:
*taking up MORE space after install an already huge game* because...I actually OWN the cd.
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Some of us spend a lot of money on our systems and storage so that we CAN put them on our hard drive regardless of how much space they take up for the simple fact that there is (may it be noticeable or not) a bit of difference of performace.

I OWN a lot of cd's. Which are completely worthless because I don't take care of them. I find it easier to make an image of them as soon as I buy them and call it a day. If it gets scrached up, I don't give a shit, I'll burn another. Not that I would need to anyways unless I was reformatting. (because I run it from my hard drive)

I guess my point is, just because you don't want to do something, doesn't make it wrong.
 
Netrat33 said:
I swear..it's people who pirate bitch and whine the most when they actually go legit I'm pretty sure. No one is forcing you to buy their software, but once you do, the company has rights for how you install the software. (And no that doesn't mean go pirate the game either because no one is saying it's your right to free games either) All they need to tell you is system requirements. And it's in their rights to say "wanna play the game, you can't have *blank* installed"

And as for legit users getting screwed over? Just a hunch, but i'm sure a lot of you who are using those programs are snagging a free games more than once in a while. I personally have never really heard of the program until about 4 months ago. And i'm pretty sure the common computer user probably hasn't heard of it. I don't need software to copy a cd to my hard drive *taking up MORE space after install an already huge game* because...I actually OWN the cd.
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So if i buy a gun from said "company" they can tell me what to do with it? And how much i can shoot it? And have full control of everything i do with that? What happend to rights? (the little we have left) :p And as far as people copying stuff. I hate to tell u but even huge companys "pirate". Why? Because the rules are so tight everybody in this world is a criminal and has broken the law atleast once a day (including non software stuff of course) so really i don't see ur point as being valid in this case for anything concrete! :D I mean most people go into neutral when slowing down yes? Well guess what. In my state and i think others thats actually illegal! :p
 
And another thing:
IF you've used this program to steal a game, don't post. don't argue. Because YOU are the one's they are targeting. Be honest with yourselves and don't be a hypocrite. You are the ones that are using the software for illegal purposes (so what if the program is legal, what you do with it is different!)

AND ESPECIALLY don't argue if you even pirated virtual cd software which i'm sure a lot of you have done too!! Be honest with yourself before you post
 
Tazman2 said:
So if i buy a gun from said "company" they can tell me what to do with it? And how much i can shoot it? And have full control of everything i do with that? What happend to rights? (the little we have left) :p And as far as people copying stuff. I hate to tell u but even huge companys "pirate". Why? Because the rules are so tight everybody in this world is a criminal and has broken the law atleast once a day (including non software stuff of course) so really i don't see ur point as being valid in this case for anything concrete! :D I mean most people go into neutral when slowing down yes? Well guess what. In my state and i think others thats actually illegal! :p
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uh..yes they can. You can't shoot people! You can't just walk around with it.
what little rights? what timewarp are you living in? are you so freakin oppressed? give me a break

A: huge companies pirate.ok...how?
B: even if they do, which not saying it doesn't happen because I know it does: It's STILL not legal or right.
 
Netrat33 said:
And another thing:
IF you've used this program to steal a game, don't post. don't argue. Because YOU are the one's they are targeting. Be honest with yourselves and don't be a hypocrite. You are the ones that are using the software for illegal purposes (so what if the program is legal, what you do with it is different!)

AND ESPECIALLY don't argue if you even pirated virtual cd software which i'm sure a lot of you have done too!! Be honest with yourself before you post
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stop assuming we're a bunch of pirates :rolleyes:

You make yourself sound all high and mighty
 
]|[ Mar']['in ]|[ said:
Some of us spend a lot of money on our systems and storage so that we CAN put them on our hard drive regardless of how much space they take up for the simple fact that there is (may it be noticeable or not) a bit of difference of performace.

I OWN a lot of cd's. Which are completely worthless because I don't take care of them. I find it easier to make an image of them as soon as I buy them and call it a day. If it gets scrached up, I don't give a shit, I'll burn another. Not that I would need to anyways unless I was reformatting. (because I run it from my hard drive)

I guess my point is, just because you don't want to do something, doesn't make it wrong.
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Obviously non of us REALLY knows the other, but I'm going to say hypothetically that you never pirate. You are legit buyer and sloppy person ;) *scratching cds all the time* you really have a valid use for it. Guess what though, most people PROBABLY abuse it, steal games, now YOU become another victim of piracy.
 
]|[ Mar']['in ]|[ said:
stop assuming we're a bunch of pirates :rolleyes:
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hehe that's why my next post is for. Not calling you one...but saying if you are..don't talk
 
Netrat33 said:
uh..yes they can. You can't shoot people! You can't just walk around with it.
what little rights? what timewarp are you living in? are you so freakin oppressed? give me a break

A: huge companies pirate.ok...how?
B: even if they do, which not saying it doesn't happen because I know it does: It's STILL not legal or right.
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Little rights okay. My favorite example. Somebody breaks into ur house (ur property) and they get stuck (this happend) and the guy sued for a million dollars. Or u beat the shit out of somebody who holds u up with a gun but u get sued and loose because u beat them up defending ur life before they could shoot u or steal ur property. Should i keep going or do u live under a rock? And as far as the piracy, point was it happens. People don't realize they aren't suppoes to "borrow" this or that. Or install it at said so place. Shit happens and people get caught when MIS starts snooping around as happend at my company (i work MIS luckily! =) ) EVERYBODY breaks the law. Its not just "pirates" and ur making a big fuss like getting rid of pirates will get rid of problems. Much like taking away guns will stop crime! rofl. Last time i checked a terrorist or gang member does NOT buy their guns at a gun store! :p
 
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