Emulation Software Detected!

Simple just go to cracks.am.net or limewire or any other shareing program and download a no cd patch.
 
It's pretty interesting Doom grants you the license to make one backup copy. And people wonder why PC gaming is "hurting"
 
Its actually hurting because all PC games of a similar genre are pretty much the same with different characters. Too many knock-offs and crap games flooding the market.
 
First off, I don't even use any "cd emulation" software.

I'm disgusted at all the people with the thoughts of "If I don't need it, why should you?". People like that are the scum of the earth. Closed minded and tunnel visioned. Who the hell are you to tell me what I should or should not have just because YOU PERSONALLY don't have a use for it?

"I've never had a use for a gun, why should you be allowed to own one?"
"I've never needed an abortion, why should you be allowed to have one?"
"It's possible to travel by mass transit, why should you be allowed to own a car?"

Just because YOU can't envision a reason for someone to own/want/need/use something, doesn't mean they shouldn't BE ABLE TO.

Big picture people. Our rights are being taken away and the spawn of soccer moms think nothing of it. To hell with wether you use emulaiton software or not. It's the principle of the companies' actions. We can't let companies get away with garbage like this.
 
Big picture people. Our rights are being taken away and the spawn of soccer moms think nothing of it. To hell with wether you use emulaiton software or not. It's the principle of the companies' actions. We can't let companies get away with garbage like this.
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Amen Brother!
 
Wow, hadn't expected this thread to receive so much attention. Still reading through it, but wanted to post an update. First, thanks to elation for the read on starforce, that is something I will certainly check when I get home.

I received what amounted to essentially a "form letter" type response, as expected. Surprisingly, it did have one useful piece of information; namely, that Alcohol doesn't need to be uninstalled. Rather, just disabling the virtual drives (setting the number of virtual drives to zero) will allow you to play from the cd. Verified this, and yes it works. I'm still upset about the fact that I can not create an image of the disc and play it as I so choose. This, in addition to the fact that the game is vastly inferior to Madden 2004 (revamped unreadable interface -- in 2004 the interface was well done and legible. In 2005, they didn't bother to alter anything for the PC, so text is miniscule and almost illegible due to it only displaying every other line, the way it would on a TV to account for scan lines or something).

I'll likely return it, via the method I described on page one or two. Major pain in the ass, but them's the breaks. I'll stick with 2004, which is much easier to read the text on *and* allows me to emulate the cd. EA has also lost my sales dollars for future games -- generally 2 sports titles per year + 1 other game (for example, I think they published BF42).

Thanks for the support, everyone. Curious if you think this is worth pursuing further or should I just return the game and forget it? :)
 
Bob002 said:
Here's my favorite line of all from the Doom 3 EULA

5. Permitted Copying. You may make only the following copies of the Software: (i) you may copy the Software from the CD ROM that you purchase onto your computer hard drive; (ii) you may copy the Software from your computer hard drive into your computer RAM; and (iii) you may make one (1) "back up" or archival copy of the Software on one (1) hard disk.

Therefore, programs such as Alcohol and CloneCD are perfectly legal and useable, AND it says as much in the EULA (thought that is more through interpretation).

It seems to me that most of you are missing the main point of it being the principle, rather than the fact that it is telling him that. Several people mentioned "it's my PC, and I will have the programs on it that I will".
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Very, very interesting. I'll read through the EA EULA (ugh) sometime tonight and see if a similar paragraph appears. If so, it seems to me that they are violating their own EULA; or at the least, preventing the end-user from carrying out a portion of it. Though, to be fair, I *was* able to make a back-up copy of the disc on my drive ... I just can't use it for anything :rolleyes:
 
ninethreeeleven said:
Bipolar, can we get a copy of the EULA posted, or a link to it so we can all read it.

I totally see this as bad as asking you to unplug your CD writer, but I also dont see it going that far. Any way, I dont and from now on will not own any EA Games until this practice is stopped and/or a patch is made for the games.

I hate EULA's for the fact that thier pretty fucking advanced (I have read about 30% of the ones I have signed and after graduating college with honors I still have trouble with some) I cannot see my little sister (14yoa) understanding any of that.
I hate that and I hate that you do not get the EULA until you get home, after which you cannot return the program.

I think fair buisness practice would be to post the EULA's on a poster next to the games for sale. If I cannot read it until after I own it that is bullshit. And should be illegal.
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I will upload it tonight or tomorrow. I checked www.easports.com to see if it was listed there. I was unable to find it. There is, in tiny writing, a "Piracy Policy" link at the bottom right that links to a .pdf, but no mention is made of emulation software whatsoever. It would appear that there is no way to read or view the EULA prior to purchase without contacting EA directly and asking for a copy via email ... and I am skeptical that this would achieve any result. Out of curiousity, though, I will do just that and post the outcome.
 
bipolar said:
Very, very interesting. I'll read through the EA EULA (ugh) sometime tonight and see if a similar paragraph appears. If so, it seems to me that they are violating their own EULA; or at the least, preventing the end-user from carrying out a portion of it. Though, to be fair, I *was* able to make a back-up copy of the disc on my drive ... I just can't use it for anything :rolleyes:
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It should say something similar. Per United States laws, you are allowed to make one back-up copy of ANY media you own, be it a VHS, a DVD, a CD, or a tape. And going back to previous points, everyone of you that owns a VCR or regular tape deck, or even a CD burner for that matter, I'm going to say that you are using it for illegal purposes, since that is what you're saying people with programs like Alcohol and CloneCD are doing. Well, at least according to your narrow-minded way of thinking.

And, as vertigo mentioned, and is correct, about, all of you people out there that are saying "I don't need it, why do you" just need to hush. And half of you need to learn how to completely use the damn keyboard and the english language. I have no problem with capitalization, but jesus, are you so damn lazy that you can't type out the word "you're" and have to put "ur"? Seriously, it is so damn annoying to try and read a post and have to wade through that shit.
 
badasspenguin said:
It's pretty interesting Doom grants you the license to make one backup copy. And people wonder why PC gaming is "hurting"
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And i hear the same bs for the argument for cd sales hurting and thats the reason the RIAA has to sue people even though a study showed that their efforts are doing jack. Sure piracy does this or that but u know what its been around for MANY years its NOTHING new yet all of a sudden the lawyers have work for stupid shit. The real reason pc game sales, cd sales, and EVERYTHING else is hurting is because our economy is going to shit with all the lack of jobs, moving more jobs out of the country, etc. Yet it gets blamed on piracy. Its not new people. And like everything else won't be stopped. I mean people go to prison, do time, etc. Does the crime rate go down? NOOOOO. So in the end stupid lawyers get free money. Like with all the sueing over the dumbest shit. Lawyers = thiefs, only difference is that they aren't breaking the "law"! :p Great country rofl...
 
I thought of something else while getting ready for work. Technically, every game reseller is violating EULAs left and right if you aren't to resale them.

The reason they put the stupid ass wording in there is so that they don't "lose out on profit". However, this happens every day at every Gamestop, EB games, et al. Obviously they either don't enforce, OR it's unenforceable. How many million games have been re-sold since the idea first came about? I don't really look, but I'm sure that regular console games have a similar EULA, and those are being violated as well...

See my point?
 
CVNet1 said:
3. Prohibitions with Regard to the Software. You, whether directly or indirectly, shall not do any of the following acts:
a. rent the Software;
b. sell the Software;
c. lease or lend the Software;
d. offer the Software on a pay-per-play basis;
e. distribute the Software by any means, including, but not limited to, Internet or other electronic distribution, direct mail, retail, mail order, or other means;
f. in any other manner and through any medium whatsoever commercially exploit the Software or use the Software for any commercial purpose;
g. disassemble, reverse engineer, decompile, modify (except as permitted by section 2 hereinabove) or alter the Software;
h. translate the Software;
i. reproduce or copy the Software (except as permitted by section 4 hereinbelow);
j. publicly display the Software;
k. prepare or develop derivative works based upon the Software;
l. remove or alter any notices or other markings or legends, such as trademark or copyright notices, affixed on or within the Software or the Printed Materials (as defined in section 5 hereinbelow)
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J and B caught my attention.
Sell the software. Doom 3 is not the only games to have that rule. Places like Half-Price books sell used copies and the keys themselves end up becoming shared.

Publicly display the software. That would make playing it at LAN parties illegal. Your monitor is in open view for the many to see.
 
Oh well. It just sound like they are encouraging more cracking and pirating of software. These things will always happen, it just that people get their panties in a knot and flip out about the whole issue.

Install the software, if it works YAY. If it doesn't find a way to correct the situation. Take ownership of the problem. Solve it anyway that you can. If its acceptable use (your not selling/distributing it) that you shouldn't have to worry. Sure there is the line "Don't modify, reverse eng. this product".

Its just a never ending cycle. Its all fun and games until someone looses a dollar. Sue everyone, sue the guy down the street. Run rampant around the block screaming how your rights have been violated. Everyone should just relax, and take it easy. Take ownership of the problem, and get your self a solution.

Cheers,
 
Thanks for the head ups, no Madden 2K5 for me, I buy all my games as well, and I Alcohol every single one of them so I don't have to worry about losing / scratched CDs.
 
Just a heads up if anyone hasn't noticed. Battlefront has this software as well, but they were smart enough to let you still use the cd at least. I attempted to make an image but it says that emulation software is detected. However, you can still use the CD to play.
 
bipolar said:
Exactly. I'm not going to financially support a company that has decided it is the aribter of what I can and can not have on my computer. Maybe you have no issues with this, Noid, but as a nominal civil libertarian, I don't believe it is up to EA to tell me what I can and can not do with my computer. They are not my elected official, passing laws. They are not a judge, appointed by my elected officials. They are a publicly held company, nothing more, and while you may have no qualms about ceding your rights away to them, I most certainly do.

BTW, if you want to reply to me, you have to delete all porn from your computer. That's the rule that I am arbitrarily establishing :rolleyes:
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I have a simple cure for this..."drum roll!" Don't game anymore! Dude theres always going to be little crap like this to try to stop people from stealing but then theres always going to be work arounds.
 
coffee33 said:
I have a simple cure for this..."drum roll!" Don't game anymore! Dude theres always going to be little crap like this to try to stop people from stealing but then theres always going to be work arounds.
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You're missing the point that you're legally allowed to make copies of the software you buy. EVERY game/app you buy will have this line in the EULA because it's allowed by United States law. So, I don't see how you can do this when the software they put in prevents this.

Seems like they are violating their own EULA. However, for 99 percent of the population, this is perfectly acceptable, and they don't really worry about the other 1%.
 
Can I make EPLA (End Program License Agreement) document and put it in my root directory? Telling the installer program if it installs software there are guidelines the software must follow while on my property?...
 
Riftgarde said:
Can I make EPLA (End Program License Agreement) document and put it in my root directory? Telling the installer program if it installs software there are guidelines the software must follow while on my property?...
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LOL That would be great if you could. Essentially, you do this by not buying the software that has this sort of protection. However, the end result is you have people standing on the sidelines going "You're stealing, that's the only reason you want this software".

Either way, this is actually violating laws... I'm going to do my best to call EA on this.


Let me get something straight... You installed the game, and when trying to play, detects you have alochol on there and won't let you play? I re-read your post and that is what it seems you're saying.

It also seems like you said you were able to make a copy of the CD later on, but only a copy, and that you couldn't do anything WITH the copy. If that's correct, let me know.... I'm going to check some stuff out...
 
I usually don't buy Electronic Ass...errr Arts games. Unless they are like $4 a piece in a bundle or bundled with hardware.
 
don't forget that CloneCD encounters the exact same problem as Alchohal 120%. I think both of the companies who produce CloneCD and Alchohal 120% would be interested in learning of these companies activities too, since the effective results of these activities could illegally target and damage thier respective business models.
 
Don't forget the few programs and games that install .sys and .dll files that tamper with other programs.
 
this type of copy protection pisses me off, and so does that Starforce crap that they are starting to use.
 
ojax said:
OMG Deal with it losers!!!!!111!! LIke OMG if U cant use the CD yOU're LAZZy and your parents must be proud :( :( Like omGZ why question what these OoOOber companies do to their customers, because They are ALWAYS RIGHT didnt U know?!?! If they want to scan your HD for ANYTHING, YOU better LEt them because they know whats best for the common consumer, and THEY should decide what you install on your computer regardless what purpose it has for being there. If U have emulation software YOU ARE HAXZ!!!1!! You PIRATEZ copying games are BAD, and Im glad EA decided to throw ALL U people who have this emu software into THE SAME BOAT, just like all the bad people who own guns are MURDEREZZ !!!11!!

OH and its YOUR problem if your CDZ get scratched or damaged, and if they are U should have to BUY new ones and be PUNisHED for your NEGLECT!!11! If you cant even keep a CD in good condition, THEN omGZ U must be Sooo stupid and like OMGz such a bad person. ACcidents Dont Matter!! because they only happen to people who Are too """lazY""" and """" stupid """ to keep them in a safe spot.

/sarcasm off

This is seriously the mentality of some of the people posting here I swear... :rolleyes:
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This is in fact my mentality on this subject. True not everyone uses Alcohol 120 and Daemon Tools for piracy but I'm positive the large percentage of users do, and the game companies know this. They are taking steps to prevent piracy, plain and simple. You are agreeing to the EULA... so...

So here are your options .. flat out.

1. Bitch about it (nothing happens)
2. Do something about it
A. Don't play that game
B. Uninstall your conflicting software use the CDs and play.

Pretty simple problem to fix. It doesn't take much more then a 5th grade education to figure out what you have to do to solve your dilema.

Or if you really wanna prove a point.. go strap yourself to a tree somewhere, go on a hunger strike and people will then care.

Common Sense 1
Whiners 0
 
v3rt1g0 said:
First off, I don't even use any "cd emulation" software.

I'm disgusted at all the people with the thoughts of "If I don't need it, why should you?". People like that are the scum of the earth. Closed minded and tunnel visioned. Who the hell are you to tell me what I should or should not have just because YOU PERSONALLY don't have a use for it?

"I've never had a use for a gun, why should you be allowed to own one?"
"I've never needed an abortion, why should you be allowed to have one?"
"It's possible to travel by mass transit, why should you be allowed to own a car?"

Just because YOU can't envision a reason for someone to own/want/need/use something, doesn't mean they shouldn't BE ABLE TO.

Big picture people. Our rights are being taken away and the spawn of soccer moms think nothing of it. To hell with wether you use emulaiton software or not. It's the principle of the companies' actions. We can't let companies get away with garbage like this.
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I must admit.. your ENTIRE post made me laugh.. extremely loud. I got an idea.. put on a suit and tie, call CNN and see if they'll bring you on.

Wait... but what if I wanna screw lab monkies in public.. can I have that right ? And I quote .. "Just because YOU can't envision a reason for someone to own/want/need/use something, doesn't mean they shouldn't BE ABLE TO." Point proven. Hush now.

again /me hands out bundles of cheese.
 
I'm just waiting for the lawsuits from the companys that make Alcohol 120%, Virtual CD, and CloneCD. I can see it now, they sue gaming companys because of this. I can understand the end user having no case against the gaming companys because you DID click the "Accept" button. But its like gaming companys are trying to put these other companys out of business by forcing end users to remove their LEGAL software. Keep in mind on every one of those companys website they have disclaimers pointing out that their software IS NOT MEANT FOR ILLEGAL USE. Just like connecting to your buddies FTP with tons of programs on it, you are able to use that stuff for "EDUCATIONAL" purposes only, but people dont.
 
theNoid said:
This is in fact my mentality on this subject. True not everyone uses Alcohol 120 and Daemon Tools for piracy but I'm positive the large percentage of users do, and the game companies know this. They are taking steps to prevent piracy, plain and simple. You are agreeing to the EULA... so...

So here are your options .. flat out.

1. Bitch about it (nothing happens)
2. Do something about it
A. Don't play that game
B. Uninstall your conflicting software use the CDs and play.

Pretty simple problem to fix. It doesn't take much more then a 5th grade education to figure out what you have to do to solve your dilema.

Or if you really wanna prove a point.. go strap yourself to a tree somewhere, go on a hunger strike and people will then care.

Common Sense 1
Whiners 0
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I disagree with the entire premise of your arguement. If it were the case that the EULA of any one of these games specifically mentioned that software of this nature or even more specifically that CloneCD or Alchohol 120% must not be installed in order to play the game or use the software, you would have a point. But when the EULA makes absolutely no mention that these types of software or these specific programs are not allowed to be installed, then the fact of the matter is that the EULA has not addressed this as an issue and has absolutely nothing to do with these programs. Now I posted the Doom3 EULA in its entirety on page 6 or 7 of this thread and for those of you who didn't get around to reading it before chiming in, perhaps you should. When you agree to an EULA it is a binding contract enforcible for as long as you are using the software/programs that are dealt with in the EULA. However if there is an area not addressed in the EULA, then that area is not contractually agreed to and therefore there is no binding legal authority over such an area when you agree to the EULA. What is not said in the EULA is not enforcable in contractual law. Therefore if the EULA makes no mention of certain programs being prohibited from being present on a system wherein the program will be installed, then there is no legally enforcable way that companies such as Activision and EA can force users of such softwares to uninstall or not have programs such as CloneCD and Alchohal 120%.

Now I know that my above arguement is somewhat abstract and therefore not the simplest thing to wrap your brain around, but from a contractual perspective this can't be allowed to continue.

To make an example in absurdity to prove a point. Lets say you enter into a contract with a builder. He's going to build you a house to a certain specification on your property. Now lets assume that in the contract the only things addressed are that you will simply provide him the property and the money and he will build the house and that is the contract. So the building day comes and as it so happens you've got a brick driveway going from your street to what will become the foundation of your house. The builder arrives and suddenly he's claiming he won't build this house for you because your driveway is brick and not concrete. There's no architectural or structural reason he's not going to build the house by your brick driveway, he just doesn't want to have a house he builds on the same property that has a brick driveway. So the Builder insists that for him to build this house which he contractually agreed to build on your property, you're first going to have to tear out that nice brick driveway and have a cement driveway poured in its place. Legally, the contract you and the builder agreed to says nothing of brick driveways being prohibitted and nothing of cement driveways being required. Legally, in this contract, the builder has no way to defend his position that he won't build a house next to a brick driveway. And finally, Legally, you will take his butt to court in a civil suit for his violation of the contract that you both signed and you will have him ordered either to build the house on the property as was agreed in the contract or he will have to pay a high price for not honoring the contract he agreed to.
You see EULA's like any contract must work both ways. The company requires certain things in an EULA and on the same token, certain things are required of the company. Any contractual agreement involves 2 parties agreeing to terms. Both parties must be recieving some form of benifit. In an EULA the companies benefit is your money, and your benifit is the use of their software. If the company says nothing in an EULA about having certain programs or types of software installed on your computer, then they are acting outside of the contract in a manner which is completely unenforcible under contract law. They are in effect stealing from the user because they have no authority under the binding agreement to take away your rights to own, install, and use these particular programs (Alchohol 120% and CloneCD and even NERO) which their software is detecting and forcing conflicts with. In effect they are liable for breach of the EULA contract that was agreed to, and its about time that a class action lawsuit was brought to bear on them for thier misdeeds.
 
Oh one more thing I meant to mention.
The reason you don't see any mention in the EULA of the software/program regarding certain types of programs (CloneCD/ Alchohol 120%) not being allowed to be installed on the same system with the program probably has alot to do with the companies that make said products could probably make a good case in court that such a clause in the EULA illegally damages their business models and threatens thier company. Also, I highly doubt that any legal challenge resulting from such a statement in an EULA agreement would be deemed Enforcible; more than likely if any challenge to such a clause would result in that clause being VOIDED by the courts IMHO.
 
theNoid said:
This is in fact my mentality on this subject. True not everyone uses Alcohol 120 and Daemon Tools for piracy but I'm positive the large percentage of users do, and the game companies know this. They are taking steps to prevent piracy, plain and simple. You are agreeing to the EULA... so...
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At the stores, they don't post their EULAs on the boxes or anywhere inwhich the customers is able to know what they are getting into. You first have to purchase, open and begin installation of the game inorder to view it and if you disagree with it, you're screwed. The retailers won't take them back and if you contact the company stating that you disagree with their policy and want your money back, they'll say something along the lines of we won't take it back because you know the key and for all we know, you might have made a copy of the game for yourself while you return all the official content and are just trying to get it for free. For all they know, you could be lying your ass off
 
Since StarForce can cause BSOD's for some people, shoudn't it be listed as malware?
 
theNoid said:
Valid points, yet its not going to change. So ... uninstall your emulation software (which by the way is used mainly by people who DON'T pay for games). Use the CD on your games... and poof! fixed.

Its not rocket science. I seemed to have figured it out, without ranting.
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this is so not true i use alchol 120% becausei have hundreds of different cd images i use for work that contain map data. and instead of coping cd's i can just burn from an image from my hd saving me time and money. now if i want to play a game what i have to uninstall a program that i use for work just to play a damn game? to me thats bullshit.anyone who really pirates games gets around this easy by no cd cracks or other means we wont get into. all this crap does is hurt the peopel that buy there games.
 
theNoid said:
This is in fact my mentality on this subject. True not everyone uses Alcohol 120 and Daemon Tools for piracy but I'm positive the large percentage of users do, and the game companies know this. They are taking steps to prevent piracy, plain and simple. You are agreeing to the EULA... so...

So here are your options .. flat out.

1. Bitch about it (nothing happens)
2. Do something about it
A. Don't play that game
B. Uninstall your conflicting software use the CDs and play.

Pretty simple problem to fix. It doesn't take much more then a 5th grade education to figure out what you have to do to solve your dilema.

Or if you really wanna prove a point.. go strap yourself to a tree somewhere, go on a hunger strike and people will then care.

Common Sense 1
Whiners 0
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Man, I can't quite figure out your stance on this subject.

The absolute bottom line (that you seemed to have missed) is that the companies are essentially telling you what programs you can or can't have. Maybe it will go to hardware later? CD-Rs, DVD-Rs, maybe even vid cards? What happens the first time someone buys a game and it pops up and says "I'm sorry, you must have a genuine ATI card to play this game" and you have an nVidia card?
 
More than likely Ahead Software and the Makers of Alcohol will take These software companies to court if this keeps happening. Remember back in the day when AOL's software altered the dialing protocols enough so that their customers could not use an Alternate ISP? AOL got the attention of I think the FTC and got fined because what they were doing was anti-competitive. Same thing would happen to nVidia if they had made the nForce chipsets to only accept nVidia Video cards. What EA is doing by blocking legitimately purchased and legitimately used software is anti-competitive. It's little different than if EA's titles wouldn't play on your system because you have 1 or more Vivendi Universal products installed. Might try reporting this BS to the FTC and see if they could shed some light on the subject. I did that back when AOL kept blocking Trillian from using the AIM Network and in a couple days AOL stopped blocking Trillian (got the entire Trillian community to do the same). If everyone that has this problem reports to the FTC on it it just might get the magnifying glass on EA.
 
Essentially, my stance is as follows:

There are perfectly legitimate uses for clone software. If EA or any other company does not want you to have that software with theirs...its their right to do so (in a sense, there are arguments against unfair business practices against clone cd, etc.). It is NOT their right to deceive the public. It isn't on the list of system requirements on the box is it? At best, if the paranoid government sides with an EA regarding the use of this disabling software, the government COULD be forced to put a label on the OUTSIDE of the box. We the consumer do have rights, and if the game companies give us the black label saying Starforce is embedded in their software...we have the right to PASS on purchasing it.

Like someone said, dollars speak loudest. If they are willing to alienate their legitimate customers at the sake of pirating, at least have the balls to do it overtly. And since they do not...we should try and FORCE them to like they are trying to force us :mad:
 
Farcry and Doom3 do the same stupid things. My computer does not have a DVD rom drive to play farcry, so what do i do? I hooked up a computer with a dvd drive over the network, shared the drive, and opened the installer from the main computer, and downloaded a cd patch from some wares site.

Maybe soon some hacker will figure out a patch to let cd emulators run.
 
theNoid said:
Wait... but what if I wanna screw lab monkies in public.. can I have that right ? And I quote .. "Just because YOU can't envision a reason for someone to own/want/need/use something, doesn't mean they shouldn't BE ABLE TO." Point proven. Hush now.
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It's called tunnel vision. You might want to get that fixed, it's a nasty disease.

If you had a valid reason to have monkey sex in public, and suddenly an organization comes in and says, "You can still have monkey sex, but only if you let us chop off all your arms and legs". You are understandably pissed. I mean, how are you supposed to catch a monkey without any arms and legs?

Then some random person comes along that has no interest in having monkey sex, and starts berating you by saying shit like "Just stop having monkey sex. Problem solved. Why the hell are you even doing that in the first place? Why would you even want to? I've never even wanted to do that, why should you even be allowed to? That corporation had every right to do that, having monkey sex is for stupid people anyway.".

The point is, what the hell right do they have to pass judgement?

You also completely miss the point that making copies of games for your own use is 100% LEGAL. Having sex with monkies in public is not.

It's like exterminating all the monkies instead of arresting the people who are humping them, or banning all guns because some people don't use them legally, or banning all cd emulation software because some people don't use it legally.

One of the biggest problems I see today is people banning things because they COULD be used for bad deeds, which you are all gung-ho for apparently. I feel sorry for your children who are going to be infected with your narrow mindedness.

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There are some people in this thread who think that banning this software is a legitimate way to stave off piracy. That's a valid opinion. It could well have a positive affect. Thing is that there are many other resources that pirates can use to crack the game anyway. In the end it stops hardly anything illegal, and pisses off legitimate users.

It's just a half-assed attempt at reducing piracy.
 
http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/14456

Here's one that automatically removes the burning and emulation software for you without your permission. You think the one's mentioned before were bad. Forget trying to contact the game publishers about this craft. Contact the publishers of, the CD/DVD burning and emulation software.
 
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