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I'm not sure if this is a simple typo, or what. Still, that isn't true. Think about it this way: a thread is what runs on a CPU core. Each process (think executable/application/program) has at least one thread. Therefore, each process can run on at least one CPU core. Some processes have...

Yeah, an Intel Q6600 or similar or an AMD 9850 or so wound do just fine. Unless you're actively tracking it, you're not going to be able to tell the difference between the two.

Sounds more like a workstation with some serving on the side. Here's the big question: if you're only running one or two tasks at a time (the file serving should not be a huge concern as long as you don't need to encrypt data on the fly over GBE or something) then a high-clocked Core2 Duo would...

Quick Google search suggests that the chips are more or less comparable, with the primary difference being the TDP.

Wait, wait. So there are people here who actually think that because Intel can get a little above 3.0GHz on two separate 107 mm^2 dies (QC Penryn), it means that Intel will be able to hit around the same clocks on one single die at 246 mm^2 (Nehalem)? These people should really hit the web...

*deleted* BTW, you may want to update your sig. It had me all confused...

The cores on an AMD die are not connected by HT links. They utilize a much faster crossbar switch.

I don't know if this was mentioned, but I would not be surprised to see AMD move all quad-core production to 45nm and only make dual-core K10 and K8 on 65nm. Seems the smartest move considering the massive size of a full K10 die with four cores. I doubt we'll see AMD actively producing...

You contradict yourself at every single turn. It really is ridiculous, Scali. You say things like "No, none of the C2D errata are as severe as the Phenom one" and "[the C2D is not] as unstable as an unpatched Phenom system," and then turn around and bash others for using fuzzy language. How...

AMD Zone has a thread that is starting to list AM2 boards (some AM2+) and their compatibility with Phenom: http://www.amdzone.com/amdzone/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=27&func=view&id=134434&catid=52

You pulled that "every few weeks" right out of your a$$. You have no clue how frequently the bug will be hit. Anyone who overclocks and at the same time flips out about this particular erratum is a hypocrite in my mind. Every Hz above stock risks a crash, just as dropping the BIOS patch will...

A large part of AMD's 90nm to 65nm costs were also based on a 200mm to 300mm conversion. As FAB 36 is already on 300mm wafers, a large portion of these costs have already been paid for. The main tooling cost is coming from Fab 38, which is currently running 300mm test wafers. FAB 30 is being...

I ordered a 9500; it arrives on Tuesday (tomorrow). I'm not one to OC as I prefer stability, but I'll post a mess of benches when I get around to it. I don't care about that windows garbage; I'll post of mess of Linux benchmarks, though.

So true. This is a bit of a placeholder system, but I have an AM2 board and am currently running off a single core K8 @ 2.0GHz with 512k cache. I'm going to drop in a Phenom 4 core @ 2.3 with a total of 4MB cache. What the hell, man! This is going to fscking rock! AMD makes upgrading easy...

See, Scali, this is why you're in my sig. It's not enough for you that you get to make negative comments about AMD's lukewarm Phenoms and Phenom launch, you have to take it waaaayyyy over the edge. You have a tendency to say silly things like this: you're telling me that if Intel does one more...

Eh, I've heard different numbers is the recent past, but you don't seem to be off by more than a factor of 2 or so. Same general ballpark, and no one outside of the company really knows anyways. Has anyone heard about the L3 clock speed yet? AMD was saying they were going to clock the L3+NB...

Ah, peddling your closed-source apps again...

This is _not_ a contradiction. He says two things: 1) [H]ard _currently_ doesn't discuss cheap hardware. 2) [H]ard, at some point in the _past_ (namely the start) talked about cheap hardare. Now, care to explain where the contradiction is? Are you just making wild assumptions, or do you...

Yeah, rebooting is a pain if you switch back and forth a lot. If you can live in both Windows and Linux comfortably for the most part (web, music, etc) you can keep the switching down to a minimum. But yeah, it's not for everyone.

Technically, his first argument is about the current state of [H]ard, and the second is about the initial state. These two states can be different without contradiction... I see no ass being handed to anyone...

I would have to recommend a Linux install. If you're not comfortable with a full Linux system, you can always dual-boot. Just leave a little free space for Linux partitions and it'll be pretty easy to set up. You can check out Linux vs. Vista to get an idea of how they compare...

You erroneously assume all implementations of all codecs are multi-threaded.

Waste of money. 15$ at your local super market and a quick grilling will produce much better burgers. Not to mention you can easily get 5 burgers out of that, probably more. I'd love to see RR sell their "quality" burgers for 3$ or less a meal. I think people these days are too lazy to...

It seems you haven't ever read AMD's actual claims, and are basing your opinion on what some industry "journalists" have said. Why don't you take the time to actually read the real complaint before you pretend to know what you are talking about. And yes, you need to read all of it...

Barcelona is a server chip. Now, which one of those benchmarks might be applicable to this space? Oh, yeah. The only server benchmark, SpecJBB, which AMD wins. Comments like yours are so silly. We have a situation where AMD does very well in a large number of respected and trusted...

The NDA is now lifted, and I will now agree that the launch is short on info. AMD sent systems to reviewers too late for most to meet the launch date with their reviews. All we have today are half-assed reviews from people who rushed, or reviews from people with non-production revision parts...

WTF man? There haven't been any reviews yet. Production stepping Barcelona's are revision BA, not the older revisions Anand, Techreports, etc have. The NDA hasn't even lifted yet. Why is it that everyone has to flip out and throw a tantrum?

You base your opinion from a one sentence quote from one review? WTF man? Go look at all the charts, from all the current previews (I call them that, as that is what they are). Then, do the same again after the NDA is lifted. What you'll see is [email protected] and [email protected] trading the lead in many...

Any of the current postings are from people who did not sign the NDA, as the NDA expires later today. So, the current "previews" are no better than all the other unofficial previews with older chips and beta/alpha BIOSs. Whether better or lowers scores, the previews just seem to add...

So, in this example, one looks at the speedometer, and counts, say in seconds, how long it takes to reach, say 100mi/h, by looking at a clock: 1... 2... 3... This is a measurement, though, one with very poor accuracy and poor precision (yes, these two are different concepts). This...

For the most part I agree. Sure, SuperPI has some minuscule value in the fact that it can execute instructions, but that's not saying much...

The problem is that you are using the word "know" in the flexible sense that it is a measure of personal certainty. A measure of how your strong your emotions feel your intuition is in line with reality. This simply doesn't cut it. "Know" is intended to be used, not in situations of strong...

Wait, wait. You're telling me that SuperPi is the magic oracle, and when it starts to get poor results, I know that my hardware is about to break/degrade, and affect other applications? The only possible validation of such a statement is that SuperPi is CPU intensive, and therefore stresses...

You can attack the person instead of the argument all you want. However, what you said, and I'll quote it a second time for you, was: Untrue. All the traces meet at the MCH. You going back to edit your posts to (slightly) correct your FUD is nice, but it would be better if you didn't lie...

You're joking right? Not only is it intuitively obvious that all CPUs need to connect to the single MCH, but Intel's tech docs say the same thing, and is also confirmed by the massive number of FSB related pins listed on the chipset pinout diagrams. Dubby is quite correct. Look at the 7000...

I'm always blown away at how Intel fanbios manage to say that AMD adding additional features is a bad thing. Quite amazing, actually.

QFT.

Lots of bashing, flaming, and no substance. Sentences 1-4 and 6 contain no information and are simply school yard bashing. Sentence 5 actually asks a question, but again, in a rude way that contributes nothing to the discussion. Care to make a post that says anything useful, or would you rather...

Replace OS with userland app, and he is correct. The spec is not specific to threading, but there is no reason it could not be used to help tweak a threaded app.

AMD stated that Barcelona will ship in August. Barcelona will launch on September 10th.