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2407 release date
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fishy1234 said:
I don't see any advantages of the 2407 for gaming per se, and the 9800 Pro is suppose to be able to drive the native resolution ( 1900x1200 ). Anything 16ms and below should be adequate response time for gaming.
Someone feel free to correct me.
When the 2405 first came out it was about $1400 (i think)... now, it's about $1000.. with coupons and discounts, you can get it for about $800... and that's also because they're trying to get rid of them.
With that said, the 2407 will probably be within the $1000 to $1200 with coupons and such. I highly doubt it will be sub $1000. The samsung lcds that, this is possibly based on, is way more expensive than any of these prices. If you can get it below $1000, you'll be very lucky.
With that said, the 2407 will probably be within the $1000 to $1200 with coupons and such. I highly doubt it will be sub $1000. The samsung lcds that, this is possibly based on, is way more expensive than any of these prices. If you can get it below $1000, you'll be very lucky.
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"Ooo aargh" ~ Pirate....
...http://jpstore.dell.com/store/newstore/dhs/snp/proddetails_overview.asp?pid=11451
2407wfp came out in Dell Japan yesterday (20th march)
edit: price is around £700
...http://jpstore.dell.com/store/newstore/dhs/snp/proddetails_overview.asp?pid=11451
2407wfp came out in Dell Japan yesterday (20th march)
edit: price is around £700
Spock's Beard said:"Ooo aargh" ~ Pirate....
...http://jpstore.dell.com/store/newstore/dhs/snp/proddetails_overview.asp?pid=11451
2407wfp came out in Dell Japan yesterday (20th march)
edit: price is around £700
OK, now can you post something that everyone here and the rest of the Internet didn't already know?
Oh wait, I didn't know a elevendy bajillion yen = 700 pounds. Thanks.
ZeroH said:
Isn't the 3007 $1200? the 2407 should be well below that. My ubber-speculation would be between $800 - $900 with coupons for the 3007 coming out about the same time to encourage 2407 buyers to splurge and step up.
But then again who knows. Nobody thought the 3007 was going to be as high as $1200 when it came out.
I just calle Dell and told them i wanted a new monitor, was looking at the 2405 but noticed that the 2407 launched in Japan, etc, etc. They guy told me that they have put a stop to the 2407 due to "manufacturing defect" and wouldn't be released before the 4th qtr of this year. Then he continued to swing me to buy a 2405, offered a $50 MIR and is planning on calling me later this afternoon.
If the dude calls back with something sweeter than the 50mir, i may just get the 2405.
- oh he also asked where i got the intel about the JP release.
If the dude calls back with something sweeter than the 50mir, i may just get the 2405.
- oh he also asked where i got the intel about the JP release.
neocvera said:
That defect stuff sounds like bullshit but I cant believe they would risk bad rumors just to hide the fact that the 2407 is imminent and to convince you to buy a 2405. Someone else should try calling and see if they can get a different response from Dell. If this is truely the case I think I need a 2405 asap.
JayD said:
Overly optimistic, I would say.
I don't have any predictions myself, but the anticipation is driving me up the wall. That said, I will continue to keep checking this thread and others for updates. Those who are eager to pull the trigger on a 2405 should really re-examine the importance of HDCP. It may not be a feature you think you need now, but with the shift the industry is prepared to take, I see it encroaching on other mediums, namely games.
a ronin said:
It could be possible but not unless they mandated that all types of monitors and computers come with HDCP.. and right now, that's not the case.
If developers started using HDCP to protect software content, they'd lose out on a lot of profits from those who don't have (and can't afford) HDCP monitors and can't upgrade their PCs to HDCP compliance.
A final note.. from what I've read, HDCP just prevents HD content from being played on a non-HDCP monitor or TV at HD res. It will still play it with a lower res. Games are a different matter because it's not recorded video like a movie is. I guess they could force you to use a lower res like 800x600 but again, that would kill the gaming industry.
I'm not sure but has anyone seen a HDCP compliant TV on the market?
ZeroH said:
It's the choice of the content provider. They can allow full rez, low rez, or a black screen. Depends on how Tight-@ss the studio wants to be when they distribute the video. I think Sony Studios has said they will not down-grade the video on non-HDCP monitors for now but they are only one studio. And for how long they will be "nice guys" is in question.
Here are the relevant LAWS on HDCP in the US:
July 1, 2005
-- all HD STBs must also have DVI (digital visual interface) or HDMI (high definition multimedia interface).
-- 100 percent of models of DTV receivers in sets 36" and larger and 50 percent in sets 25" to 35" that are labeled "Digital Cable Ready" must have DVI or HDMI interfaces using HDCP (high-bandwidth digital content protection) technology; any set labeled "Digital Cable Ready" must also include an integrated over-the-air digital tuner.
July 1, 2006
-- 100 percent of models of DTV receivers in sets 25" to 35" that are labeled "Digital Cable Ready" must have DVI or HDMI interfaces using HDCP (high-bandwidth digital content protection) technology.
December 31, 2008
-- Draft statutory "hard" cut-off date for analog broadcasts contained in DTV transition bill during most of 2005. Changed in House/Senate conference committee compromise to a more industry-friendly date.
All HDMI connections already have HDCP.
It seems like HDCP is only important in the areas where TV monitors and computer monitors intersect. That would be DVDs, downloaded protected video, and TV broadcasts (where HDCP protected content is already being used). If none of this is very important to you, then HDCP shouldn't have much importance to you for quite awhile. I've read no mention of anything other than video being encrypted but I would assume that all digital data that is displayed on a digital monitor could potentially be subject to HDCP.
Im thinking really hard about this HDCP and Games issue. Can you imagine not being able to play a game because you do not have a HDCP monitor? Do game makers really think they can get all the gamers in the world to get rid of thier monitors and upgrade just to play the games? How long will that take in years / decades? More realistically, they will have to continue producing regular display versions of the games for those whom do not own a HDCP monitor. If a million gamers own HDCP and only 10 thousand gamers owned standard monitors, then the situation would be reversed. My oppinion is that games will continue as is for many many years.
Will we need HDCP monitors just to watch High Definition movies, and not to play games?
Will we need HDCP monitors just to watch High Definition movies, and not to play games?
I just read this from widescreen gaming forum.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1344
Looks like they are using Samsung panel after all. With that said, does this make it a faster monitor than the 2405 or slower?
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1344
Looks like they are using Samsung panel after all. With that said, does this make it a faster monitor than the 2405 or slower?
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a ronin said:
LOLOL there's no way in HELL they're going to implement that in games. And inaddition to that, the 'shift' in the industry you're talking about, is going the other way. Bluray has already announced they're dropping it... and i wouldn't be surprised if HD-DVD does as well... who's going to buy HD-DVD with that kind of restriction, when they can get Bluray.
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a ronin said:I was not aware of this. Score one for the working class folks and long live piracy
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/03/14/sony_blu_ray_analogue_image_constraint/
Even if HDMI was implemented, i'm confident enough that eventually there will be a way around it.
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wonkman said:
Look at the post before yours...
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ZeroH said:
Well, since i'm pretty sure all displays that have HDMI also has component... what would the problem be?
moralpanic said:
Lots of people keep saying this but it hasn't happened so far. HDCP is open-source from Intel. It's totally public so it's been out there awhile. Also they made the encryption scheme flexibile so codes can be revoked and changed when a crack is discovered.
I think a long-term crack is more like "maybe" at best and most consumers are just going to buy an HDCP equipped display or they won't even be aware it's there.
This seems to combat casual 'home' copying (or fair-use) since nobody will buy an expensive decoder for home that will only work for a little while. And if a software crack is developed and distributed for free, the key will be revoked before most people can get their hands on it (like terminating a virus before it has a chance to spread. And you know the HDCP people will be constantly monitoring the Internet for Crackware).
But professional pirates that figure out an encryption code will have a window of time to make mass copies before the code is revoked. I guess the logic is that at least it will be harder and any schmo with a burner won't be able to go into business for himself. I agree with the logic but it sort of stomps all over the consumer in order to combat the real pirates overseas.
A few months ago I thought this would be important since everyone thought that all newer graphic cards had HDCP support already. Since they don't, it's going to be a looonng time before non-video PC data uses HDCP if ever. There are no video cards and maybe 1-2% of PC monitors in homes now have HDCP. I also think the movie industry and cable companies think that a PC = piracy so I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't give a cr@p whether you can play a movie or watch TV on your PC or not. Preferably not. "Go buy a TV" is what they want you to do.
So the two questions to me are:
1) How much do you plan on using your PC for TV and non-computer video (movies) and,
2) How long do you feel it will take Blu-ray or HD-DVD drives and HDCP TV s to become well enough established in homes for studios to start down-grading or blacking out content.
All you have to do is look at the timeline in the post above to see how the Federal Govt. (pushed by entertainment industry lobbying) is trying to force this in place.
But ultimately the speed of adoption of the standard will depend on economics. As of now, very few people have HDTV let alone an HDCP enabled one. If HDCP/HDTVs and the new high-definition drives were to drop in price substantially, more people would buy them quickly and it would make more sense for studios to deploy HDCP on distributed media.
We know this isn't going to happen for a few years at best so it would be economically unviable for studios to start using HDCP too soon.
Wow, I can't believe I wrote such a long rant. If you read this far, the bottom line is if you asked me 2 months ago whether it was important to get HDCP on your monitor now, I would have said yes. But given what we now know, I don't think it's a big factor in your buying decision unless you plan on using the same monitor for 3 years or so. And only then if you want to use it for TV and movies. But I wouldn't count of a permanent crack either.
Thank you for your time.
moralpanic said:
Respectfully, I don't think you're reading it correctly.
Sony Video Distribution is saying they will not use their technical option to down-grade resolution on their initial distribution of high-def videos. Two issues:
1) They don't say for how long and,
2) Sony is only one studio that will distribute on BR and HD.
HDCP is still very much in place and an option for any studio that uses Blu-ray or HD-DVD. Sony is just saying they are going to play nice with consumers ... for now.
moralpanic said:
???
This tread is about the 2407 PC monitor. No PC monitor that I know of has HDMI yet.
HDMI is a connection standard and HDCP is an encryption standard. They are separate things. When HDMI was standardized, HDCP was included. HDCP is not included in the DVI connection standard but can be included by the manufacturer if they choose. Most don't include it (because they have to pay a fee) but a few are starting to add it like Dell.
Just because a HDMI connector has HDCP (as all do) doesn't mean the other connections also have HDCP.
HDMI doesn't really have anything to do with it other than the fact that if you have an HDMI connector, you know HDCP is included by design.