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I've done exactly the same, it seems like the best solution. The only downside is that there seem to be serious aspect ratio problems when viewing widescreen DVDs with the VGA cable. :/MidnightSi said:VGA looks much better to me. I set the resolution on the 360 to 1360X768, and scaling to "Aspect". This keeps the picture at 16:9 with very small borders on the top and bottom of the screen. Also, to get accurate colors I turned the brightness all the way down and turned up the contrast to 65-68. NHL 2K6 and PGR3 look amazing with these settings. With the component cable the picture seemed very muddy and had tons of jaggies.
John said:I've done exactly the same, it seems like the best solution. The only downside is that there seem to be serious aspect ratio problems when viewing widescreen DVDs with the VGA cable. :/
I was using 1080i ... jaggies everywhere on my Dell ... but not on the plasma ... I'll give 720p a try and get back to you ...
I wasnt going to answer due to the rude behaviour of the question...
Set it to 1360x768 and in "Image Settings", choose "Aspect" as your scaling setting. You will have black bars, but the aspect ratio will be correct. If you want to get rid of the black bars, just choose "Fill".Cannibal Corpse said:I didn't intend to be rude or anything. Thanks for your comment. To the other poster, I didn't know our monitors is 16:10!
*Thank you*. I knew something had to be wrong, because 1080i on the 2405FPW just looks plain awful.Ummagumma said:No way that top picture is 1080i (1920x1080). I have seen Call of Duty 2 on a HDTV that has 1080i native and its razor sharp!
Edit: Those jaggies are not caused by color settings...
John said:*Thank you*. I knew something had to be wrong, because 1080i on the 2405FPW just looks plain awful.
Because of bandwidth issues, the components needs the 1920x1080 to be sent interlaced. This means it will be sent as 1920x540 odd lines (1,3,5 etc) and 1920x540 even lines (2,4,6 etc) @ 60 frames per second. They will then be weaved together to whole pictures 1920x1080 and shown @ 30 frames per second. The picture will not be as smooth in movment compared to 720 progressive (which will give 60 frames per second), but much sharper as a still picture.Najeroni said:On my monitor, whenever I played at 1080i I would get quite a bit of ghosting and the picture quality was poor like above. But when I put the xbox to 720p, all of that ghosting went away and the picture was EXCELLENT. All of this is from testing with PDZ and COD2.
Try 720p after 1080i, should look A LOT better.
I know all about interlacing, the question was whether or not I was overestimating the X360's graphical capabilities or if there was a problem with the 2405FPW displaying 1080i signals. It seems to be the latter.Ummagumma said:Something is terrible wrong. You can even see it on your pictures if you look at the barbed wires on the left.
Because of bandwidth issues, the components needs the 1920x1080 to be sent interlaced. This means it will be sent as 1920x540 odd lines (1,3,5 etc) and 1920x540 even lines (2,4,6 etc) @ 60 frames per second. They will then be weaved together to whole pictures 1920x1080 and shown @ 30 frames per second. The picture will not be as smooth in movment compared to 720 progressive (which will give 60 frames per second), but much sharper as a still picture.
When I looked at COD 2 in a games store, the picture were VERY sharp at 1080i! You could definitely see that the 360 is a next gen console!
John said:I know all about interlacing, the question was whether or not I was overestimating the X360's graphical capabilities or if there was a problem with the 2405FPW displaying 1080i signals. It seems to be the latter.
Nope, there's no improvement.Najeroni said:On my monitor, whenever I played at 1080i I would get quite a bit of ghosting and the picture quality was poor like above. But when I put the xbox to 720p, all of that ghosting went away and the picture was EXCELLENT. All of this is from testing with PDZ and COD2.
Try 720p after 1080i, should look A LOT better.
Cannibal Corpse said:OK, I realized that I didn't press the Auto Adjust button on 2405 after each resolution change. That certainly did the trick with 1360x768. However, 1280x760 still exhibit stretching anomaly.
1280x768 seem to be the BEST resolution for me though.
there must be something wrong. 1080i is a 1920x1080 resolution as mentioned and should have less jaggies, not more on a native 1920x1200 display... 1360x768 is LOADS sharper according to him and this is also evident on Johns pictures. IF the 2405fpw should be able to display HD over components, then their experience goes against the very physics of resolutions... Can anyone explain this?Mud@overclockers uk I'm beginning to believe the whole no true HD component on the 2405 lark...1360x768 is loads sharper than 1080i. I still can't get the greyness out of the VGA connection though. Gah...
Ummagumma said:Looks like people all over the world are experiencing problems with jaggies on the 2405fpw´s components. When so many reaches the same conclution:
there must be something wrong. 1080i is a 1920x1080 resolution as mentioned and should have less jaggies, not more on a native 1920x1200 display... 1360x768 is LOADS sharper according to him and this is also evident on Johns pictures. IF the 2405fpw should be able to display HD over components, then their experience goes against the very physics of resolutions... Can anyone explain this?
here is a website that tests HD over component for various LCD's. including the 2405. The company's name is Omneon, they work with media servers for HD broadcasts and video.. I would say that they are a good judgement of video quality. They don't mention anything about limitations over component... other that a few motion issues, they actually they gave it a pretty good review. I am sure if 480p was a limitation... they would have pointed that out and noticed it wasn't in HD.
http://www.adamwilt.com/HDV/hp2335.html
If they're the shots I'm thinking of, none of them are really close enough to see.magnetik said:what about those pics of Kameo? They looked pretty sharp to me.
John said:If they're the shots I'm thinking of, none of them are really close enough to see.
One thing that confuses me is that if all 2405FPWs supported 1080i, why isn't it specced as HD ready?
Good point.Yaka said:for it to be specced HD ready it would need a HDCP dvi or hdmi port which it dont. it could be classed as HD ready but then some clowns would be buying as a TV then bitching about the crap pic quality or lack of tuner or even higer price compared to current prices of 26" tv.
magnetik said:what about those pics of Kameo? They looked pretty sharp to me.
I saw that one and it puzzled me a bit. Its an old review I have seen earlier with some older HP panels. You can see that they only have zoom on/off on the HP's and the newer panels have zoom off+ zoom 1,2 and 3. I don't know if the older panels had 16 ms GtG like they compare with the 2405fpw's 12ms GtG. The newer are like the 2405fpw: 16ms BtW and 12ms GtG. It made me a bit sceptic anyway, so I read it carefully.also.. check out this post I posted on wsgf.
maybe it is a problem with the game or something.. I dunno.. there are a lot of people with conflicting experiences.