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i dont "need to read" anything as i know what i need to and it is you that think "we need" something that there is no need for yet exept the e-pen small child gets from having a P55-board with to many fetaures that looks cool but their is no use for exept raise the price. all i am saying is...

Why? I know what i need to and 260 IS NOT close to max of anything, period. Just a way to give some longer e-pen and call the "need of" something we dont need today period. When we realy need it controllercard is out to fix that very small issue.

No max is 375MB/s by using simpe math, no way around that so 300 is just plain wrong. SATA 2 would then only be called 2.4gbit and 260 cant be called close to nothing of 300 or the correct 375 because it is not close to anything, just tio far away to everthing, it is just a way to give some...

It is 375MB/s that is the max of SATA2 so 260MB/s is not even close, just almost there but not close enouth to call it anything special or say "we need SATA 3 now" and why 3 vertex is as good as it gets is because 4 dont make any inprovment over 3, actually it is slower in many instances but...

No it does not sature it, Colossus does only have about 70% of the capability of SATA2:s 3Gbit/s acording to there MAX specs that is only 260MB/s.. So i dont doubt it, they dont acording to the MAX specs that are just that MAX and is just low compared to 3xVertex that truley max out the specs of...

Doubt it, they are only 260/260MB/s and just a tad faster than a single Vertex, it takes 3 Vertex 128/250 to max it out and that is still not a big issue as when it is needed we have a better "new gen" CPU here and better (X68?)boards and as always there is nothing that is more "future proof"...

12 systems with the same "magic" CPU is not really 12 systems unless it suits your goal of the post. And with HT on there is no way in hell that is possible even with a D0 to get is stable on only 1.275V and keep it "cool" the same time. Mabey i just read to far but it does not say 12 different...

Average 66FPS for me and i tried to force SLI/TRISLI with nhancer with no luck. 16:9/1920x1080 are usually cheaper to make as it shares TN-panels with TV:s and more often than never are worse than IPS that sits in 1920x1200 24". I will never buy a cheap 1920x1080 "24/23.6"" after i have seen...

Steam is a big ripoff that i only use for emergence where it is only place to find the game not regularly. NFS Shift Steam: 49,99€ Store: 42,20€ Dirt 2 Steam: 49,99€ Store: 37,50€ List can go on and on and the trend are the same and clear proof of big ripoff...

Perhaps for aircooling, but for WC it is a darn good case worth every euro. PSU is actually in the best place there is, tucked away where it do no harm and not in the way for etc a tripple/quadrad in the bottom and you want to use all slots on the MB without converting the GFX to a singleslot...

That is in best case and requier TSMC to fix their fuck up of 40nm production, witch i doubt they will be able to do until very late Q1 or mid Q2 2010 to make the production meet the demand of GPU:s and any stock in stores of that cards who uses 40nm.

Are you sure all cards are good? Perhaps your second card isnt 100% healthy. Have no problem with TRISLI and Win7 Ultimate X64 running latest driver on 280:s.

No problem with 195.62 and Win7 here, but i also have propper cooling on the cards. Hell i even made them shut down/115 celsius without damage the other day due to experiment with pump and fans. Finally correct downclocking to 2D that older crapdriver fail to do on all cards in TRISLI.

IF you can get your hands on a 5850/70 then go for it before they are gone, a single 280 is equal or better than a 9800GX2 even if bench not showing it. The higher rez/more eyecandy the more 280 beats 9800GX2. Only reson i did not call 9800GX2 complete failure is that it gave me a 280 "for...

Kind of like 3 280 then, but nothing water can fix and this card just beggs for it.

Aouch, it it not was for the 9800GX2 i would have agreed there.

The 280 dont loose mutch more value by waiting a little more time as they lost most of it value by now after 285 and 5870 and there is always people that buy "outdated" stuff and dont care about latest and greatest. Some even want a second hand 280 to go SLI. Besides i dont care if i can get...

And until that day is here there is no reson to make any move from 3x280, espacialy as there is no need to "secure the value" and when that day the 5970 beats 3x280 is here we probably have more to chose from or now more about other cards that might be even better and off course the 2/4GB...

NF200 are not limited to NV-chipset. X58 has it as well and that is Intel-mobo and this is only something related to NF200 and 191.07 driver.

Thanks, not bad but did i read right Cat 8.66? Or what it said then i guess it can be inproved a bit. It looks to be with no AA on the not crystal clear resultpicture.

This is mainly related to only 191.07 and it is not a general issue as some had no issue with NF200 and 191.07. So why even bother with 191.07 if you got the NF-chip and know that the issue is there and there is other driver to choose from? This is just one reson why i dont jump on the newest...

Any link to that video? Love to find out what driver they using as newer obiously are better. Nomatter how i think about it or bend it when i am going 30" soon 2x5970 4GB is more and more tempting when they show up, or 4x5870 2GB as money is not a thing that matter to me as mutch as delays of...

Since the game was not SLI-compatible from the start and the patch had little/less than for ATI-card inpact on the game it was not optimized in the way i expect it to be to even call it anything more than just a regular game, it should be SLI-compatible at least to begin to be "optimized" or...

It only means NV helped them, not put "their" code in the game and "uglycode" that ATI cand understand. NFS:s latest installment has always been faster on ATI so what? So what if i now use NV right now it does not make me any fanboy as i do consider red card this time. Where did i say 285 is...

I dont trust H over other sites that has result more in the ballpark and never fail to do so i dont take it without some salt nomatter what filter/effect/resolution are as H is alone with that result, but as i said they have done a good job with the patch and driver. I dont think NV driver are...

The rumor did not specfied anything as it said in general and not GPGPU or anything specific.

Either the driver inproved drasicly as it was eye to eye with 285 in first review but the 92% is something i take with a big truckload of salt unless driver and patch made that mutch of difference, if so god job AMD.

Simple it is rumored to be like 2-2,3 GTX285 for the singleGPU card, and then we have the dualGPU card that is twice this monster. 5870 are not that mutch faster than a 280/285 or even faster at all in some cases that it will keep the pace from GF100 and since 5970 is not comparable to 2x5870...

Yhea, but Q1 dont mean january 2010, it can be April 2010 to so GF100 is more likely to be out as in released before so there is no real rush to jump the DX11 train just yet for no one since basicly no good game is out yet for DX11 and its not like Stalker dont work in DX10. At least i can hold...

So what, no game is out yet that is worth the move to DX11, just some DX11demo sorry excuse for a game that are for free and one game that not are inpressive one bit in DX11. DIRT2 will be the first real game that gonna be tempting for most and then what this year? We rather have a singleGPU...

No it isn´t, just that the latest NFS usually runs better on ATI than NV cards. But the 5870 are faster, but not that mutch or that ist is worth it to think about now when we know it will be surpassed by at least 3 cards in near future.

If NV has the the fastest card i buy it and history/what they "do wrong" or whatever crap is not what keep me awake during the nights if i spend 600+€ a piece on cards as long as they are the best around when it is bought, if not i go red this time by. Its not harder than that and i could...

Does XFX alow you to change cooler within the warranty like EVGA and stand by it later? Unless that is so i would not call XFX warranty FTW in any way as the way i seen some very bad results from their warranty and coolerchanges and as you said if one can afford a 5870 then you sure hell can...

It does not matter how mutch it gives them back, the camp that dont offer it is the one that looses this time in the long run and the way games goes 2GB/core will be a nessecity even at lower resolutions, this is not due to "bad porting/bad optimization" it is just the way it goes right now...

Unless it has 4GB, 2GB/core from the start it is not interesting the least. It better has this or they will lose some customers(me perhaps that want 2 of these) to the green team later on when GF100 do have 2/4GB as option and money is no object for some buyers so that reson just went away to...

I am waiting, at least until DIRT2 and see what DX11 offers over DX10 in a good game and then 2GB cards is a must. 58x0 has to drop down a bit in price as it is way to high right now, that is what Fermi gonna correct if everthing is what it should be. Then it is time to shop again red or green...

Hope so, at least if it has 4GB it will be what i looking at, but if rumor about the 5870X2card is true then i will go 3 or even 4x5870 2GB as 5870X2 wont be 2x 5870 as it rather will be 2x5850 hybrid between 5850 and 5870 and just slower than 2x 5870 singleGPU card due to powerissues or so IF...

It would be insane and what it least have to be to be called a small upgrade in my book and not just a sidestep, but if it only is like 295 Quad then i am not that thilled about it as it will not be an upgrade from 280 TRI worth it until we know how and when GT300 is doing. Price dont/never...

With any bit of luck both camps have their cards out when DIRT2 hit the store in december, hopefully GRID gets the same treatment as DIRT later, then their is no question about it for my part nomatter what the expense are. Hate to sit and wait with money buring in the pocket to get a clear...

Makes perfect sense as the uncore is what do it at it to be at least 2xmem freq. and that also need higher QPI/Dram in ASUS language voltage to even boot, some board (REII) need more than other (Classified) and that also adds to it.