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It's amazing how few people still don't comprehend input lag. Yikes. Thanks for the comments, everybody else - I think I'll just score the Dell 2408, and find some space on my desk to keep my iiyama 19" DiamondTron CRT (yum) for gaming.

The iiyama E2403 doesn't swivel. The B2403 does not appear to have acceptable input lag. All the other panels I've seen either have good input lag but no swivel capability, or the other way around (or both suck!) Can anybody suggest a monitor with a response time comparable to the E2403, but...

I don't have experience with any of those turntables, but you might seriously consider a used Technics 1200. They have excellent resale value and are believed (by some) to have much better speed accuracy than low-end belt drives. They run $200-400 used IIRC. Or, get the Audio Technica AT-PL120...

So, has anybody actually done the clone test to see how much lag exists between this display and a CRT? Subjective evaluations are meaningless.

If you stand far enough away from any TV, it will have more resolution than the eye can perceive. Everything after that is going to be color fidelity (especially off-axis), response time, and contrast ratio. Displays have a very, VERY long way to go in those fields before being "perfect".

I demo'd a XM boombox with its headphone out on my Etys over Christmas. It's always sort of sucked. IIRC, they are using 64kbps AACPlus.

I immediately noticed it in a single monitor configuration, the dual config only validated it.

There have been a lot of threads on this if you search for it. I noticed it as soon as I played Quake 3 with it back in March. Somebody posted a little flash app that lets you easily determine the lag relative to a cloned CRT display. I measured it to be in the 30-60ms range. I haven't tried...

I think the exact ghosting phenomenon is considerably different between the panel types, which acts orthogonally to the actual response time. When I pan something on my 2405 - ie, a dark object moves around across a brighter background - the ghosting image is brighter than the two original...

Sigh. Yet another good reason to get a 6800.

I have something very similar which I always figured was driver related, but I don't think it can be called tearing. On very large movie window sizes (it doesn't need to be full screen) there are individual lines of the image that are offset by as much as 20 pixels. It's not a deinterlace issue...

FWIW, I notice the ghosting more of a loss of detail more than an actual "ghost" on the screen - like the objects themselves get smeared, and the entire image can get smeared if it's all roughly the same contrast, but there's no ghost behind them. This is consistent (or maybe placebo'd upon) the...

I ran Jensen's flash prog on my system - 2405 as primary monitor, CRT as 2nd monitor, full acceleration, Gf4 4200 card, WXP. I snapped some rapid-fire pics on my camera (1/160 shutter speed, ISO 200) - the extremely low shutter speed let me see the relationship between the scanline position and...

2/60s is 33ms which in some cases is the difference between a competitive net connection and a noncompetitive net connection. Very, very important.

This lag might be related to the display lag issue mentioned in the big thread, although that hasn't been confirmed yet. It would explain a lot of things if it did though. If so though, it would place firm bounds on the scope of the lag (16-32ms).

Actually, CRTs drive the VGA signals directly to the guns, without any intermediate digital processing. No delay whatsoever. I'd guess that DVI connections will always have more delay, between 0-16ms, because the entire frame may need to be received before it can be displayed. So 1 frame...

FWIW, my Diamondtron is very washed out compared to my 2405. But it's also 6 years old, has massive burn in, and didn't quite survive a lightning strike (needed repairs). If you're worried about gaming on the 2405 and you're switching from a CRT I'd be a lot more concerned about mouse...

Yeah it's pretty visible. I've resorted to putting my old 19" diamondtron on the desk in case it ever gets to be an issue. And really, unless you're playing Quake or UT you are unlikely to get into an in-game scenario where it will cramp your style. Still not a good enough excuse to part with...

I do. Noticed it the first time I turned it on.

Also certain transitions (notably black-white) go faster than certain other transitions (notably gray-gray). If some transitions are under the refresh rate but not others, this could look like objects themselves do not leave ghost trails behind them, but the texturing on them is blurred.

I'm seeing it with my GF4 4200. So far, I don't think a video card exists which has been conclusively shown not to show the problem..

I think the component input doesn't like certain modes. DVD players rarely (if ever) upsample their component outs, so their likely mode is 480i/480p. HDTV outs are rarely that res (though it does happen depending on the feed and tuner), they're usually 720p/1080i, and the 2405 has uniformly...

Speaking as a person who has the 2405 and hasn't seen the Apple, I really think you'd need to see both of them and form your own conclusions. Response times can be radically overhyped - 12ms can be as bad or worse in a lot of cases. I've personally seen ghosting on my Dell in games, so don't...

My 2405 definitely whines. It's somewhere about 7khz to 13khz and it is significant.

FYI, I'm running 1920x1200 in Q3 and ET, no problems, on a GF4 Ti4200. Obviously some things need to be tuned down.

I've also noticed the lag issue. Changing the refresh rate doesn't help. Reducing the acceleration slider does.Mouse is MX500 which I've been using the past year or so.

It's probably also worth noting that with my DVD player (Samsung DVD-HD841) the DVI output doesn't work either. In fact, none of the video outputs work reliably on the 2405, if at all. S-Video and composite don't worth either! And I know s-video works because I've used it with two separate TVs...

Confirmed! I have the exact same issue, tested on two different DVD players. However, it only seems to happen with some DVDs - in particular, two cartoon DVDs (Happy Tree Friends v1 and Wallace And Gromit) work fine in component. And the "start screens" of the DVD players work fine too, as does...

Those of you who aren't seeing any ghosting: What resolution are you testing at?

Hey, I saw this thread on Ars and wanted to comment. As I pointed out over there, there is ghosting with this monitor, or at least with mine. For most games it doesn't seem to be noticable, but in Q3 there seems to be an ineffable and barely tangible quality loss when moving around at normal...